The livestream is here, but my PC is (very sensibly) refusing to load the Faux News player…
Richard Adams’ Guardian liveblog is here:
8.30pm: Welcome to the GOP presidential debate, brought to you by Fox News and the good people of Sioux City, Iowa – the final slugfest between, well, a pack of slugs.
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The Iowa caucuses is on 3 January and between then and now this is it: the last chance to impress voters nationwide.
Have at it, y’all…
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9.16pm: Asked why he is so rubbish, Rick Perry claims that like star quarterback Tim Tebow – actually not a very good quarterback but he somehow still wins games – he can be better than he looks. “I hope I am the Tim Tebow of the Iowa caucuses,” says Perry. Perry will be lucky to be the Forrest Gump of the Iowa caucuses.
Paging Mr. Tbogg, Mr. Tbogg to the red courtesy phone….
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Roger Simon @politicoroger
I met Saul Alinsky. I interviewed Saul Alinsky. And Saul Alinsky would not have considered Obama a radical. #iowadebate
15 Dec 119.22pm: If you had “Saul Alinsky radical” in tonight’s debate drinking game, then chug, because Newt just dropped that.
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If you don’t know who Saul Alinsky is, join the 99% of the American population who are with you.
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9:35pm: Asked about taking bucketloads of cash from mortgage facilitator Freddie Mac, Gingrich somehow claims that he was “a private citizen” when he did so, and that doesn’t count. Also, he then goes into a weird self-defence, claiming that he loves people buying houses. So he was just trying to help. By banking cheques for $1.6m.
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And yet, not so long ago, Newt Gingrich wanted to shut down Fannie and Freddie. But now it turns out they are just brilliant.
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WIN:
141. David – December 15, 2011 | 9:55 pm · Link
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“I’ve been having affairs since Obama was in high school!” ~Newt
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10.07pm: We’re onto Iran and the nuclear weapons. The question in essence: why, Ron Paul, will you not bomb these dangerous fanatics? “It’s war propaganda going on,” says Ron Paul. “The greatest danger is that we’ll have a president who will over-react.”
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For bonus points he also called Iraq “that useless war”.
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Moderator Bret Baier says Ron Paul would be running to the left of Barack Obama on this matter. “What did we do on Libya? We talked them out of their nuclear weapon and then we killed him,” says Paul. Hmm.
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Paul appears to be running for President of Iran. Which is a novel tactic in a Republican presidential campaign.
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Original Wonkette may have the best summary of the debate (& it ain’t over yet!)
Ana Marie Cox @anamariecox
I want us all to mark this moment when crazy met nuts and crazy won. #iowadebate
15 Dec 11
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Facepalm:
10.26pm: Our correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg is at the debate venue in Sioux City, Iowa, and she sends this analysis of the debate so far:
… Perry has spent a little bit too much time staring slack-jawed into the camera to dispel the impression that he does not have the intellect to be president. But he did get applause for his idea for a part-time Congress, working just 140 days every two years…
Because running THA WORLD’S GREATEST COUNTRY IN HISTORY EVER PRAISE JEEBUS should be a part-time job. Hey, it works for Wal-Mart!
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WINNER of tonight’s debate: President Obama.
LOSERS: Everyone who paid any attention, including those of us here at BJ, each & every one of the candidates, and I strongly suspect Faux News, because while all the participants ladled out a sufficiency of Crazy, there were no “meme-making” moments to enliven two hours of squirming tedium…
Baud
Go Newt!
dmsilev
I just finished slaughtering a bunch of inoffensive forest animals, accompanied of course by stealing their souls for use as fuel for my weapons (thank you, Skyrim….). I think I’m in the right frame of mind to appreciate a GOP debate.
Veritas
Gringrich’s momentum is dead. He’s falling according to the latest tracking poll. Romney is coming back, he just has to have a slam-dunk performance tonight and come on strong.
RealityCheck
Elizabelle
’nuff said
dmsilev
OK, funny. On that livestream page, there’s a set of meters for “evade or answer” the question for each candidate. Apparently, even before the debate has started, the Paultards have taken over the polls; every candidate except for Paul has their needle over in the “Evade” zone, and Paul is solidly in the green zone.
Xecky Gilchrist
The Iowa caucuses is on 3 January
So only 717 more debates!
lamh35
I think I’ll stick to Hellboy thank you very much. but I guess I can follow twitter on my Ipad and a couple of liveblogs on my laptop.
But I refuse to watch these things live anymore.
Baud
Tonight will be the first night I will have watched Fox News for the than 10 minutes (if I stay up that long).
dance around in your bones
@Veritas: Satire V, you are such a crack-up.
Alesis
@Veritas:
Good One!
Mittens…come on strong… performance… it is to laugh
He’ll be eminently forgettable as always.
gaz
@dmsilev: lol
Egg Berry
Cavuto, Wallace and Kelly – the trifecta!
amk
@Veritas: Give it up, willard. newtmentum is about to become paulmentum. You can take your dump in holes.
Raven
One theme
Chuck Butcher
Fmr Gov Huntsman not Fmr Amb Huntsman?
Raven
Fat boy up 1st
dmsilev
Q: Newt, Republicans think you can’t win. Care to comment?
Edit. A: Reagan!
Baud
@Chuck Butcher: He’s just glad to be eligible to this one.
The Dangerman
Couldn’t the Republicans have found a single non-white Iowan for the audience?
gaz
@Veritas: You realize that you are pretty much the only one around here that believes that this “debate” is anything other than a reality teevee show, right?
It’s America’s Next Top Wingnut.
The business model is basically the same as America’s Next Top Model.
And it will launch the careers of precisely as many presidents, as that show did models.
The whole thing is a charade, and the point is to dupe the rubes.
(That would be you)
Have fun with that. I know the rest of us are.
dmsilev
@The Dangerman: No.
Raven
What makes this schmuck think Obama will do these 3 hr debates?
amk
From RA
Interesting: one of the moderators of tonight’s debate is Bret Baier. He’s the one who made Mitt Romney cry that time.
Did you hear that, veritas ? Do you have your napkins ready, you whiner ?
Raven
@The Dangerman: He’s out of town.
Baud
Paul before Romney. Awesome.
Elizabelle
dougj’s on the airwaves
dance around in your bones
Newtie’s ego is bigger than his big ol’ head.
Ron Paul gets off a few funnies once in a while, at least.
Baud
Santorum before Romney. Awesome.
Raven
@dance around in your bones: Oh yea, any of these morons up here can easily beat Obama.
dmsilev
Q: Sen Santorum, you suck at this getting elected thing. Comment?
A: Even though I’m polling in single digits in Iowa, I still think I’m going to win.
amk
RA
newt is claiming that he taught “one and two star generals the art of war”. Is there no end to this man’s talents? No, and that’s the problem.
Chuck Butcher
To Paul – how can you win
Paul – anyone here can
hmmm
dance around in your bones
MY conservative dick is bigger than YOUR conservative dick. hahahaha.
Let’s measure.
Linda Featheringill
Newt says that any of the 7 on stage could defeat Obama.
Or maybe it was Ron Paul.
Baud
Have all the GOP debates been this empty on policy content?
Raven
@Chuck Butcher: Yes Yossarian, help him, help him. . .
dmsilev
Someone apparently loaded an empathy chip into the Rombot 3000. It’s not really working, but at least they tried.
Raven
@Linda Featheringill: So did Paul.
Raven
Bachmann has spent 5 years going toe to toe with someone who has been in office for 3 years!
Xecky Gilchrist
@Baud: I haven’t watched any of them, but yes.
dance around in your bones
Oh Gawdess….here comes Michele, my belle
son le mon le crazy mujer (sorry, mixing the lenguajes)
better start drankin’
dmsilev
Q: Gov Perry, please convince people that you can debate without drooling on yourself.
A: Tim Tebow. (seriously)
Chuck Butcher
@Raven:
Some are gonna miss that…
Heh
Baud
Perry looks like one of those animatrons at Disneyworld.
Raven
Perry is Tebow.
Egg Berry
OMFG, Rick Perry just mentioned Tim Tebow!
Raven
@Chuck Butcher: Cherries.
Raven
Huntsman is going to fix this country like I fixed my dog.
Raven
Dof fucker is going to tell a narrative!
Violet
Santorum just says he believes in bottom up!
dance around in your bones
Hahaha Frothy Mix just said “bottom up”
Chuck Butcher
I don’t know that I can take very much more of this stuff.
Baud
Romney: “I will work with Democrats.” He’s done.
Anne Laurie
Sounds like Bachmann is taking credit for hiding in the WH bushes to make sure Teh Gheys don’t get in…
Violet
@Egg Berry:
Worse, he compared himself to Tebow.
What’s the weird beeping that keeps happening? Is that some warning beep when time runs out?
Baud
@Violet:
Yes.
Chuck Butcher
OMG, Mitten just brought up getting along with MA leg… He should’ve gone with Bain layoffs…
dance around in your bones
why do they still call him ‘Speaker Gingrich’ he hasn’t been Speaker for a million years.
plus he just said Reagan. time for wine.
Raven
@Chuck Butcher: Especially when this loud mouth motherfucker Gingrich starts his shit. Not one of the morons in this crowd ever heard of Saul Alinsky.
Egg Berry
@Violet: I think it’s some twitter thing.
Also, everyone who had saul alinsky on their wingnut bingo card, you lucky bastards!
Baud
They all seem like they took some downers before the debate.
dance around in your bones
@Violet: I keep checking my iPhone because it sounds like the ‘you got mail’ thingy.
Bondirotta
Baier’s plastic surgery is distracting… He has Joan Rivers eyes….
Chuck Butcher
Little beep beep is “polite reminder time is up”
Raven
@Violet: Yea, it’s the time warning.
Baud
CNN is reporting that they reached a budget deal to prevent a shutdown.
Chuck Butcher
@Baud:
This is what I get after 23+ yrs clean and sober… I suppose if I wasn’t I’d be smashing things
L. Ron Obama
These debates are always boring until they start attacking each other. I wish there was a beep to signal that was about to happen.
Violet
@Bondirotta:
No kidding. He looks like the kind of guy who was a bully in high school, and now he’s got a bit older and trying to maintain his youthful looks. Not a good look.
Linda Featheringill
Fox live stream just froze my computer.
Bah. I can live without it.
Raven
@Chuck Butcher: I’m only at 20 and I’m having trouble holding back. If the Falcons weren’t killing Jville on the big screen I’d proly launch something.
Bondirotta
I think they tightened his left side a tad too much… His left eye is squintier and seems a bit higher than the right one.
Chuck Butcher
Listening to a Corporate Raider tell about reality of business is just good fun.
dance around in your bones
I just want to punch Mittens in the nose.
Raven
@Bondirotta: Tijuana Tuck and Roll.
Violet
Mitt looks old and tired.
L. Ron Obama
Hmm. Romney appears to have admitted Obama saved GM.
Chuck Butcher
Oh noes he just brought up GM…
Idjit
dmsilev
Romney: The President doesn’t know how to run a business, except for that one time where his policies turned around General Motors.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Zounds. That is… wow…. I wonder if Tebow’s handlers have persuaded him to STFU through the election.
I can’t do this, so I’m watching TRMS. Sheldon Adelson, FL casino billionaire (at least he was before the crash) is giving Newt 20 million. I think he funded, among others, the Swiftboaters in 2004.
Has anyone brought up the mansion Mitt lived in while living in Paris, France, I kid you not?
(moderation? Paris? Swiftboaters? Adleson?)
Baud
Newt: Barney Frank was in office; I was a private citizen, having been disgracefully kicked out of Congress.
amk
@dmsilev: Facts beating up on willard. Can’t stop them.
Violet
Oooh! Paul brings up fascism!
Chuck Butcher
I’m quickly reaching my quotient of BS for in one unending stream. Good thing Skyrim is cued up and just awaiting a flip of switch
Baud
Newt defends Big Government!
Violet
Electric Membership Coops? Sounds like a band name.
Raven
@Chuck Butcher: This part is pretty good with Newt cherry pickin “good” government programs.
L. Ron Obama
Newt hits Paul on accepting Medicare and Medicaid (as a doctor) but nobody notices.
Raven
@Baud: Bachmann with a .38 cal vasectomy!
dance around in your bones
Speaker Gingrich trying to sound professorial.
Bachmann is shocked, just shocked, that gambling is going on in the Capitol.
Gingrich: “You Lie!” hahahahahaha
dmsilev
@Chuck Butcher: “I used to be a candidate for the Republican nomination, but then I took an arrow in the knee.”
lamh35
I’m glad I’m not watching this debate, but I’m following on twitter and from the MSM tweets, you can tell the fix is already in. Lotsa praise for Romney & Paul and nothing but disdain for Newt. Not that I care how they treat Newt, but still…
Baud
I’ll have to admit, it’s been half an hour and no one has done anything facepalm embarrassing yet.
L. Ron Obama
Weird how the Republican field is totally incompetent at attacking Romney but excels at going after Gingrich.
Baud
Fuck Wyden
dmsilev
It really is “pile on Newt” night. Problem is, he’s glib enough that it might actually help him.
Raven
This Party Just Took a Turn for the Douche!
El Cid
Gingrich & Romney are in Wyden heaven. It’s a great day for America.
Violet
@lamh35:
It does look like the fix is in. They’re all piling on Newt and Newt just complimented Mittens.
jl
When it got to the Wyden/Ryan fraud, and Romney, shakes his head over “this extraordinary spending crisis”, I had to turn the sound off for few minutes.
dance around in your bones
‘on the brink of another gov’t shutdown’ sez Fox dude
well, who the fuck keeps doin’ that? hunh? hunh?
Baud
Paul is flailing on earmarks.
gaz
@Bondirotta:
I had wondered what she did with them.
Veritas
Stick a fork in Gingrich. He’s finished.
RealityCheck
Samara Morgan
Gingrich drops to 15.4 on intrade.
dance around in your bones
Perry’s either thinking real hard or squeezing out a….
oh gawd, i gotta stop watching this, I am getting bittah.
Chuck Butcher
I’m about done, nope I am
lamh35
@Violet: yep Mittens lying like a rug and all ya here from MSM is how good Romney is doing.
I already have a prediction on Mark “dick” Halperin’s grades for this debate: Romney – A, Paul – A minus and Gingrich B
gaz
@Veritas: We knew that back in ’94
What took you so long?
PeakVT
@L. Ron Obama: To be fair, Gingrich’s record is an excellent example of a “target-rich environment.”
Violet
There’s something about Huntsman that makes me want to punch him.
Violet
Huntsman: “two relationships that matter — the United States and China.” How is that two relationships?
Baud
@Violet: Nice catch. LOL.
jl
They are using a PC ‘gblonk’ noise to signal time?
Is that a cost saving measure? Or to make the production values as irritating as these bozos?
eemom
y’all should be listening to DougJ talking to this dumbass who thinks Obama is going to replace Biden with Hillary.
That’s gotta be some kind of record for how fast a credible-sounding person unmasked as an idiot.
Baud
HAHAHAHAHAHA. They gave Romney a fluff twitter question.
Violet
Romney looks like the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz. Something about his nose…
Bondirotta
Tod damn it, they tool Newt out. Fuck. How come nobody went after Mitt??
Now the only hope is a Paul surge in Iowa followed by some kind of Huntsman bounce in New Hampshire. And then a Bachmann miracle in South Carolina.
Pretty fucking unlikely.
Bondirotta
God damn it, they took Newt out. Fuck. How come nobody went after Mitt??
Now the only hope is a Paul surge in Iowa followed by some kind of Huntsman bounce in New Hampshire. And then a Bachmann miracle in South Carolina.
Pretty fucking unlikely.
gaz
@Baud: fluffing is all they really know how to do.
(look it up if you don’t know…)
El Cid
Romney: We’ll lead the world economy by drilling more oil.
Cap'n Magic
@Baud: Newt wasn’t kicked out-he QUIT after the shellacking in the post-government shutdown midterms.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eemom: Jay Ackroyd?
Veritas
ROMNEY is the nominee, baby!
Veritas
ROMNEY is the nominee, baby!
amk
@eemom: Who the fuck is this DougJ that I keep hearing about in BJ ?
Bondirotta
Why is Fox feeding Mitt softballs??? What happened to their healthy contempt of Romney.
Cool that Newt got into the deranged judge-bashing… That could work for the freak.
hhex65
@Veritas: Now, which fork would Romney use for that– the escargot fork or the crab fork?
gaz
@Violet: Some random commenter on a blog somewhere once said:
Mitt Romney: He looks like a lego man. WTF?
It’s been a long time since I played with legos, so I had to look.
The guy was absolutely right.
Mitt Romney is the lego man.
dance around in your bones
@gaz:
Satire V is a tad slow. We should not mock the mentally challenged.
Baud
Newt: If I’m President, the activist Supreme Court will never decide who gets to be President again…Oh, wait…
L. Ron Obama
Not sure Dred Scott is the right decision to bring up here.
MikeJ
@eemom:
What’s the url again?
jl
Is that the Faux News Meghan Kelly person? But she isn’t sneering and jeering all the time. Not sure I recognize the face.
Baud
Bachmann: Courts not final arbiter of law. It’s the Magic 8-Ball sitting on my desk.
gaz
@dance around in your bones: You’re probably right.
But then again, I’m a Bad Person(tm)
BTW: Love the anagram =)
MikeJ
@MikeJ: Ugh. Glad there’s only a few minutes left. They’ve got the entire internet to transmit on and it sounds worse than the two wire I had to babysit in the 80s.
Violet
The camera angle on the blonde harpy Megan is particularly unflattering. Her skin looks terrible and her nose looks very odd.
dance around in your bones
why does Bachmann always say ‘Uninent States’ ? tongue-ally challenged?
Baud
Ron Paul is the sane, coolheaded one on an independent judiciary. I will now go shoot myself in the head.
David
“I’ve been having affairs since Obama was in high school!”
~Newt
Bondirotta
Megyn: are you, in fact, a Dem-lover? Mitt: yeah, but they were prosecutors.
dance around in your bones
@gaz: Me too, I am a Very Bad Person ;)
My family thinks I am a loon, sitting in here laughing at the Replugs.
Svensker
@dance around in your bones:
Too much midwestern hotdish.
lamh35
Interesting, MSM fact-checking Newt’s every utterance, but just heaping praise alone on Mittens…like i said #TheFixIsIn.
MSM knows who they want and they want Mitt.
The Other Chuck
Incompetent but lucky, prone to public displays of sanctimonious piety, and dumber than a bag of hammers? Huh, I think Perry nailed the comparison.
scav
@Baud: We’re lucky to have one on that entire panel that merely appears sane on any topic at hand. They rotate that hot potato (like front-runner status) between themselves too.
Violet
Pick your favorite Supreme Court Justice? WTF kind of question is that? My favorite popsicle flavor is cherry! Yay!
gaz
@Baud: The surgeon general should have labeled these “debates”.
Warning: Prolonged exposure to the GOP clown car may lead to manic depressive fits of uncontrollable laughter followed by feelings of extreme depression, loss of faith in humanity, and possibly suicide. Followed by laughter again.
Raven
Another hour girls and boys.
Violet
Santorum threw some judicial red meat to the audience. Is it time for a Santorum surge? Pun verymuch intended.
Veritas
Romney is back. Our nominee. Our candidate, for 2012.
amk
@gaz: Not to forget irritated (sic) bowel syndrome.
gaz
@amk: I always thought that was a problem for the candidates themselves.
Or no. I’m thinking of diarrhea of the mouth
dance around in your bones
@Svensker: I guess I shouldn’t criticize, considering I say ‘warsh’ all the time.
I’mma gonna warsh some clothes tonight, doncha know.
Chuck Butcher
Heh, walked half way across the country and killed a necromancer and companion badasshoney whacked a bandit – oh GOP?
dmsilev
The circle of nitwits that the Fox steam has on during the breaks is in a full-on Romney-circle-jerk.
gaz
@dance around in your bones: Who was it that said the all the “R sounds” migrate south?
In boston you wash your cah
In texas you warsh your car.
heh
jl
Glad I watched to a break. That was good for a laugh. I liked the tacky BigSports Music theme.
Now they got some fat old white duffers doing a half time time analysis, that has all the feel of a open access channel. Or an internet show from some basement of a couple of beered up buddies gassing around.
dance around in your bones
@Veritas: good luck with that, dude. the satire, it burns!!
scav
Seriously, is chex_mix really cheering on instant rice pudding as the candidate and dessert of inexorable choice?
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Me too. I deleted the channel from my remote many years ago so I wouldn’t accidentally scroll past it and catch FOX cooties. I actually had to push the channel selector button on the teevee machine until I found the right station tonight.
/first world people’s problem
Baud
OMG, we killed Libya!!!
David
@dmsilev:
Yep. They were so repulsive that I had to turn the whole thing off.
dmsilev
This is sort of weird. Fox: “Rep. Paul, please tell us you’ll bomb Iran”
Paul: “No.”
Bill Kristol has a sad.
lamh35
ugh, I’m through. I can’t even bring myself to read tweets about this boring ass debate.
I’m out.
dance around in your bones
@gaz: yeah, I got it in Chicago and carried it to New Mexico. my R’s, WTF?
Svensker
@gaz:
But in Savannah you wa-ush yo-ah ca-ah.
peggy
Newt: “As a history historian with a specialization in history about the past, in history, when I speak as historian, it’s history.”
Baud
Santorum shows Ron Paul how it’s done.
Violet
Santorum getting lots of applause tonight. Could it be His Turn?
Alesis
@dmsilev:
Awww.. too bad. If Newt could keep Ailes neutral he had a shot. Romney is too boring. The GOP is going to lose anyway couldn’t they at least provide better entertainment.
El Cid
HA HA OBAMA SAID PRETTY PLEASE TO IRAN TO GIVE OUR SPY DRONE BACK BECAUSE USA! USA! USA!
Baud
Another fluff question for Romney. I think we know who’s won the Murdoch primary.
Raven
@Svensker: Only if you wandered over the bridge from South Carolina.
jl
Not sure I can stand much more, but maybe some of the made up scenarios will be fun.
Mitt thinks we are too ‘nice’ about the downed drown, and I wanted to see what his wacky solution would be, but Mitt has apparently started a prepackaged pep talk.
A strong America prevents countries from trying to challenge us around the world? How?
L. Ron Obama
This is so boring, I can’t watch any more.
El Cid
Bachmann: Obama was given victory in Iraq on a silver platter but chose instead to surrender and let Iran take over the whole continent, and Ron Paul sux.
Raven
Wipe Israel of the face of the map!
MB
dance around in your bones
WTF did Mittens just say? something about a strong America preventing war? Get a grip, dude.
Also, Michele talking about dominance, audience cheers. Gawd I despise these people.
jihad. worldwide caliphate. omg.
jl
Bachmann in fantasy land on Iraq.
Will Newt the historian jump in and explain the a GOP administration negotiated the agreement to withdraw?
dmsilev
Fuck it. I’m out.
I’ve hit my stupid limit for the week.
Violet
Bachmann getting some good applause. Maybe it’ll be Her Turn Again.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Raven: Here is was thiking we were done. Of course, I’m only reading this and Richard Adams, so it’s not like I’ve got the full effect of televised insanity.
Platonicspoof
Thought I just saw an ad for a popular vote for president advocacy organization during a break.
And didn’t Baier say at the start of this that people could suggest questions online?
Shouldn’t someone ask the Republican candidates if they support abolishing the electoral college?
Where’s DougJ when we need him?
Baud
It’s a Bachmann v. Paul deathmatch!!!
El Cid
Oh fuck! Ron Paul said Bachmann’s version of IAEA / UN report is just “NOT TRUE”.
Raven
@Baud: It’s good, really good.
Raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Ha!
dance around in your bones
You know, Ron Paul sometimes says good shit. Bachmann insane as ever.
She stands on the side of the American People. How brave and refreshing.
Triassic Sands
In Romney’s world there won’t be a penny left over for anything after he finishes building up our military. People who think that Romney poses less of a threat than other GOP candidates aren’t recognizing him for what he is — a mindless, pandering warmonger.
El Cid
Gingrich: UN camps are training terrists! As Preznit, I’ll FREE US FROM THE U.N.!!!
Bondirotta
Both Paul and Bachmann getting big applause…. Could they BOTH get bounces as Mitt is just too boring and ersatz to bear??
Baud
Huntsman: We bought those Afgan mines with our blood. Damn you, Chinese! Shakes fist vigorously.
jl
An overfly zone?
Violet
Mitt’s not even getting any questions. He’s not getting a chance to fail because he’s not getting a chance to do much of anything.
Hill Dweller
The Republicans are in for a bad case of buyers remorse next year if Romney becomes the nominee. Throughout all the shape-shifting and flip-flopping Willard has done, the one constant has always been voters despising him the more they see him. And Romney has never had the level of scrutiny he will face when/if he becomes the nominee.
SiubhanDuinne
Perry says “Izrrrl.”
What an . . . odd. . . pronunciation.
Svensker
@Raven:
Ah’m goin’ tah wandah off tah mah bay-ed.
The hubster has a 92-year-old aunt who lives in Savannah who is a real pip (she just gave up smoking because her shortness of breath was interfering with her bowling game). She’s got the deepest, huskiest voice (80 years of smoking and whiskey) and the strongest drawl. I just love listening to her talk.
Nay-e nay-et, y’all.
Baud
Uh oh, Gingrich capturing the momentum with Keystone. Fox can’t be happy.
dance around in your bones
Newt wants to paint a picture for all of us! The Iranians are going to keeeell us all!!!
We should attach it to the middle class tax cuts? What the hell is he even saying?
El Cid
DRILL BABY DRILL OR PIPELINE OR WHATEVER FUCK YOU NANCY PELOSI SAN FRANCISCO ANTI-OIL ENVIRO-HIPPIES!
Mike in NC
He’s like an old Ken doll who’s only programmed to say one of ten phrases when you pull the string.
Nothing will ever beat his fatuous line to a group of unemployed people in Florida: “I’m unemployed, too!” (Aside from the millions I inherited, and added to by firing workers from companies I bought out.)
Absolutely lacking in the basic ability to connect to a real person in any way, shape, or form.
El Cid
The Keystone pipeline would bring America 80,000 hundred jobs, because it would, Kenya also too.
Violet
Huntsman sounds like a Dad who has been infinitely patient while the kids are messing about, but finally has had enough. It’s off-putting.
El Cid
Perry: “I lahk ‘at damn tenf ‘mendent.”
dance around in your bones
I have no idea why my name has a url that doesn’t exist attached to it. I blame my grandkids, or Obama.
Angela
When does this end? I can’t turn it off and it just keeps going and going..
jl
@Violet: Worse than Paul, because Huntsman has revealed himself to be a two faced trimmer and schnook.
I made it to another break. The dumpy color analysts should be good for laffs.
Edit: Cripes are the color analysts drunk? They make no sense.
Baud
@jl: Are you watching online? No color analysts on TV.
El Cid
@jl: I think they might be bummed that Newt’s winning it again.
jl
@Baud: Online. The online Fox feed has dumpy old white fart political analysts doing color and analysis during the breaks.
I think they are drinking, they lapsed into nearly complete incoherence during the last one.
Violet
My goodness, Megyn looks bad. She looks like she was out all last night on a bender and woke up looking half like Chelsea Handler on a bad day.
scav
OH christ, for a second there I was envisioning entire panels of people arguing about whether they were summers, winters, springs or falls. Admit it, it’s not beyond possible.
amk
RA blog
Perry has spent a little bit too much time staring slack-jawed into the camera to dispel the impression that he does not have the intellect to be president. But he did get applause for his idea for a part-time Congress, working just 140 days every two years,
Huntsman meanwhile seems to have misjudged his audience with his line about America getting screwed. That just about sums up his chances in the Iowa caucuses.
dance around in your bones
The Cubans in the 60’s….Perry just said something like that. Frothy Mix sez they iz planning an assault on the Uninent States. The bastard.
Violet
Santorum’s mouth doesn’t line up with his nose.
jl
@El Cid: They complimented Newt in the last break, something like..
“Wow, Newt was buzzin’. He speaks he connects… all the angles, the big picture, they look at him, they follow him, they agree!, The Iranians! the Nukes! The straights of Hormuz! Ties it all together. Whew, man!”
These old farts gassing around almost make the debate bearable.
Edit: I seriously suspect they are drinking.
Platonicspoof
Thought I heard Perry say “lavatories of innovation”.
Then I realized I was thinking of Gingrich.
dance around in your bones
@Angela:
It’s like the Energizer Bunny or something.
Bondirotta
Romney: I want the millions of legal immigrants to come to this country.
Oops.
Shari
Rick Perry’s idea of how to deal with Mexico is to reinstate the Monroe Doctrine like we had with Cuba in the 60’s.
huh?
Peter
@Violet: I was just thinking this exact thing. Did he break his nose at one point, or what?
Also Gingrich just stepped in the amnesty pothole again.
Violet
Gawd, I want to smack Huntsman. He’s beyond annoying. No wonder he’s polling so badly. He looks like he’s tired and annoyed with everyone and everything.
amk
perry sees moslims at the mehican border. wake the fuck up amurikkka.
jl
@Shari: The drunk Fox online color team will explain it online during the next halftime, and I will relay their wisdom.
Angela
@Violet: Her eyes are huge.
Violet
@Peter: I don’t know. It’s really noticeable. His mouth is completely offset from his nose. It’s weird looking.
Baud
Romney just lost the nomination by saying gays shouldn’t be discriminated against.
Peter
Romney takes a basic question about his flip-flopping and answers a question of his own choosing instead.
dance around in your bones
Mitt is ‘firmly pro-life’. Draw your own conclusions.
Baud
Romney: I don’t recall the whole list of flip-flops you just mentioned.
Peter
Oh wow, Romney just got called out for lying. On a fox news debate. What the hell is going on here.
Violet
@Angela:
And her skin looks awful. To be fair, HD isn’t flattering to most people.
Bondirotta
Wow… fox news busting Romney for being more pro-gay than Ted Kennedy. Awesomish… “Are you, sir, still more pro-gay than the dead Ted Kennedy??”
Mitt getting testy and crabby…. Audience is silent…
Cacti
@Baud:
And as a good Mormon, he can’t possibly believe that’s true.
Bondirotta
Santorum: yeah, he loves dem homos…. he issued PERSONALLY gay marriage licenses!!
Wowza.
dance around in your bones
OMG he personally issued gay marriage licenses. Just shoot him now.
These people.
JCT
@Mike in NC:
This.
And it is profoundly off-putting. Good luck in the general Mittens, no one likes you.
Suffern ACE
@Shari: So because we do such an effective job policing our own borders we’re going into Mexico to police theirs for them?
jl
Romney comes off like a sleazy mortgage broker trying to explain why all the numbers on the loan documents don’t add up, but really do, if you close your eyes and just listen to him.
Baud
Conception v. implantation. The issue all Americans really care about.
Hill Dweller
Ha Ha. It only took the moderators an hour to grow sick of Romney.
Peter
I have to agree with Romney that that was a pretty novel understanding of what the court did there.
dance around in your bones
I think “we personally gathered in Des Moines’ should be a tag.
It’s a seminal issue.
SRW1
@Veritas:
Because its you:
Peter
I really hate the phrase ‘my position on Life’. Everyone has the same position on Life, you morons. Where they disagree is on ABORTION.
Bondirotta
Bachmann – I am a SERIOUS person. I AM.
dance around in your bones
“Who ya gonna purge?” Ghostbusters!!
Oh frack, the Reagan has been invoked again,
Peter
@Bondirotta: Yeah that reeked of desperation.
Lojasmo
@Veritas:
You were slavering over gingy-junk just a week ago. What went wring. Back to supporting Obama-lite now?
Color me surprised,
Baud
@Bondirotta: She was doing fine with her response until then too. It’s a shame.
Peter
And Bachmann is invoking The Reagen again!
Violet
Gawd, STFU Huntsman. The patient, tired Dad routine is horrible.
dance around in your bones
Oh, we gotta dump on Obama now. You fuckers. You should thank yer lucky stars for him.
Really, gotta stop watching. toe-to-toe, Reagan, “I actually worked for Reagan!” you cannot buy this level of humor.
Baud
That was fun. Good night, all.
amk
borowitz tweet
Gingrich: “I believe that wife begins at insemination.”
Peter
Hunstman, I hate to say it, but ‘trust in our institutions’ is never going to be a winning line.
Veritas
@Lojasmo:
What are you babbling about? All I ever said was Newt “seemed impressive” in one debate. But I’ve always supported Romney since late October.
RealityCheck
The Dangerman
How long they spewing lies tonight? We’re at 2 hours now.
Citizen_X
You see! Participating in these things makes you stupid!
Alexandra
Oh, for fuck’s sakes. Sully praises Michele Bachmann’s ‘feminism’.
dance around in your bones
Krauthammer…is….on…now…must…stop…watching……
really, I never watch Faux News.
Peter
“Took down the third wall”
The which wall?
dance around in your bones
@Veritas: I’m glad your athletic supporter has always included a Romney.
Violet
Oh, my goodness, I’m listening to the Fox debate moderators, plus other Fox pundits and they’re all saying that Perry was a winner in this debate. Seriously? He sounded like an idiot as per usual. Are they trying to re-fluff Perry?
fasteddie9318
I know the answer to this, I think, which is that he doesn’t know and doesn’t care, but by what constitutional authority does Forrest Perry think he can reduce Congress to a part-time body?
jl
The Fox commentary is hilarious.
They keep repeating how it was not raucaus, it was very serious and respectful.
Thon online gassers are Caddel, Schoen and some other guy. I think the first two were the ones who wrote an ed asking Obama not to run?
gaz
@dmsilev: lol.
fuck. I’m not sure what’s worse. That the skyrim gaurd reference immediately popped into your head, or that you weren’t the only one that understood what you were saying…
we’re shameless nerds. it’s absolutely appalling =)
jl
@fasteddie9318: Tenth amendment?
Edit: listening to any more Fox news analysis might permanently injur my brain, so I will turn it off.
Lojasmo
@scav:
Pudding is too charitable. Chez mix is promoting gruel.
JCT
@Violet: Fox is just completely desperate at this point. Who would have thought that spewing extreme right-wing bullshit 24/7 would get the wingnuts all hot and bothered for a bunch of nitwits, douchebags and re-treads?
And I wonder what they thought Mr. Vacant Stare actually “won”?
Anya
@Violet: She touched the short-fingered vulgarian’s “hair”. That should do it.
pattonbt
@Veritas: Question for you. Why are you so vocal here about your support for Romney, as if any of us really care.
Do you think we Dems fear a Romney candidacy so you are needling us? Or are you just that jazzed about Romney and you feel like Julie Andrews in The Sound Of Music and can’t help singing his praises for all the world to hear?
Just curious. Because if it’s the former methinks you may read the vibe of this place wrong and if it’s the latter, well, I guess here is as good as anywhere else because you would have a site of one if you tried to find others of your entusiasm.
gaz
@Alexandra: Sully’s Beard(tm) says all kinds of things.
When he’s not busy being a racist douche-nozzle, he speaks about things he’d have absolutely no experience with, exposure to, or first hand knowledge of – things like feminism – it’s how he pays the bills, dontcha know!
SiubhanDuinne
@Bondirotta:
Did she stamp her widdle foot when she said that?
jl
Good news is that all of them seemed like good bets to lose in the general election. Maybe that thought will help me quit you, GOP primary debates.
Lojasmo
@Veritas:
Uh, no. You did indeed fluff newt when he was insurgent.
Whatever loser you retards nominate will be chewed up and spit out by the President. Afterward, you will all gnash your teeth because you nominated some dumbass centrist…just like in 2008.
Hopefully, in 2016 we will see elizabeth warren v. Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. Then the republican party will die.
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Newtie’s talkin’ to Hannity and acting all reasonable, doncha know. Camaraderie! We’re all getting to know each other! Like you, you old fat-headed fart, haven’t been around since 1990-whatever.
Good gawd. I should watch ANYTHING ELSE but this. Oooooo, he’s praising Megan Kelly now. Ok, FTS.
scav
@Lojasmo: agreed, at least as far as texture and pale flaccidity is concerned. Not enough emphasis on the empty calories provided to my mind though.
ETA: and the dessert choice of Bachmann is some sort of jello salad with maraschino cherries, green olives with pimentos, pineapple, chunks, tuna and m&ms. At the very least.
Mike in NC
@Violet:
Yes, all the Not-Romneys will enjoy a second resurrection, because the Wingnut Wurlitzer demands it. The jokes will write themselves in 2012.
J. A. Baker
@fasteddie9318:
Since it works soooo well here in our state legislature (there’s a reason the late Molly Ivins dubbed it “The National Laboratory for Bad Government”), Gov. Goodhair must figure that it’ll work like gangbusters in D.C.
Comrade Baron Elmo
@Hill Dweller:
This.
Thing about Romney is that he has the same problem as Giuliani: the better you get to know him, the bigger a prick he obviously is. Remember how all the other candidates in the 2008 race ended up hating Mitt’s guts?
And Romney’s been avoiding contact with the mainstream media like they had cooties. He won’t be able to do that once he’s got the nomination… and they won’t all spit shine his knob like Fox will. (Some, but not all.)
All it’ll take is for Mitt to turn into a whiny li’l bitch under questioning a time or two, the way he did with Bret Baier, and Joe Sixpack will be curling his upper lip in disdain.
MCA
Did Ron Paul really claim that any one of the Republican clownidates would outdebate the President?
I can barely tolerate listening to the constant whiny badmouthing of Obama coming from these guys already. I can’t recall an instance where one party so casually refers to the sitting POTUS as a “radical,” “socialist,” and “anti-capitalist” and nobody even bats an eye. I mean, I know most of us on here had some nasty accusations for GWB back in ’04, but none of us were running for President against him. Not to mention the complete fantasyland you have to live in to even think these characterizations of Obama they spout with every breath are even close to reality. I can’t even tell if it’s the nastiness or the obvious inaccuracy that bugs me more.
But now they’re essentially calling Obama stupid, too? WTF? How can that not be challenged in the media? The mind reels, contemplating the cosmic weight of the collective projection it takes for Paul to crack a joke like that, and have an audience full of Republican supporters laugh.