Lots of stuff I want to write about, but it is sunny outside, so some quick links instead:
1.) Good piece by Jacob Weisberg on the fantasies modern Republicans must believe.
2.) Excellent piece on Ailes and Fox and the predicament they are in.
3.) A proud moment for Obama, while Herman Cain continues to be a clown. Is Godfather’s Pizza any good? I’ve never even seen a store.
4.) Color pics from the great depression.
In other news, last night was another debacle at the Cole household. Rosie shot out of the door while I was moving a plant and ran off. I couldn’t find her, so went and got in thecar and drove around looking for her. Apparently when doing that, I left the basement door to the garage open, and when I got back I saw Tunch running off in the back yard. Down to one of three pets, I put the car away, and saw mom and my brother walking Boghan, Ellie, Ginny, Guesly, and Rosie, who apparently had gone to my parent’s house to visit. Got Rosie inside, and went after Tunch, to no avail. I left the basement garage door open, and woke up every hour on the hour to find him and let him in, but he never showed. When I was making tea this morning, I heard him chirping up a storm in the basement stairwell. He was filthy and had cobwebs and other crap all over him, but happy as hell. Guess he just needed a night on the town.
Currently we are 3/3 with pets, and I hope it stays that way.
JPL
Sounds like Rosie found a new home. Have you spoken with your folks about adoption?
PurpleGirl
I’m glad the animals are back home and no worse for the wear.
Elizabelle
How frightening. Glad it all ended well.
That’s sweet that Rosie visited your parents. Does she have to cross major streets to do so?
Anyway, you know where to look first if she pulls that again.
alwhite
No, Gutfathers pizzas is not particularly good. One is still left in the area but the rest all went (forgive the expression) belly up. Another GOP business genius with a business built on bankruptcy.
Emily L. Hauser/ellaesther
I have to put this out there because damn, the world needs to know I was right! (Also, it’s not like I have an organization which will toot my damn horn for me)
What I was saying all day on Thursday and Friday re: Obama’s speech, on Twitter, in comments here and elsewhere, on my own blog http://emilylhauserinmyhead.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/obama-netanyahu-the-middle-east-speech-what-might-have-happened-there/ and on the damn BBC http://emilylhauserinmyhead.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/emily-hauser-bbc/ is exactly and precisely what Obama said at AIPAC today:
NobodySpecial
I enjoyed Godfather’s, but the last one left town 20 years ago. I also had a soft spot for them because the local chess club used to meet there. That said, I also like Papa John’s too, and he’s just as crazy as Cain.
ZenPoseur
I wonder why chunky Greebo Ogg wanted out so bad? You should definitely search the basement to make sure he didn’t smuggle in any weapons. Otherwise, you may wake up some morning tied to the mattress, and him sitting in a chair at the foot of the bed with a smug look and a baseball bat.
Starfish
The first dessert pizza that I ever ate was at a Godfather’s pizza. I thought it was the best thing ever. In fairness, I was about 8.
What’s up with all the crazy pizza people? There is the Godfather’s guy. NobodySpecial is saying the Papa John’s guy is crazy. And the Dominoes guy was crazy too. What’s in the sauce?
Tom
I used to love Godfather’s Pizza, but like the other commentators, it’s been years since I’ve had it. It’s sort of along the lines of Sbarro, I would say.
Hawes
Tunch will get the Mike Tyson role in The Hangover 4.
Lit3Bolt
Regarding the Jacob Weisberg piece on the Republican Party line, while it IS a good article, Brad DeLong and Steve M connect the dots a little bit more. Here’s Brad DeLong noting that just this past April 5th Weisberg was fluffing Paul Ryan as brave, radical, and smart. So why the sudden change in tune? Take it away, Steve M!
I think Steve has nailed it. The carny barkers that drive modern Republicanism are threatening to ruin the status quo, instead of just doing their job distracting everyone from the looting.
Comrade Mary
Those amazing pictures are from an exhibition called Bound for Glory from 2005-6. You can see the full set of photos here.
And if you want to lose a few days, a treasury of amazing American and international images is here. God bless the Library of Congress.
suzanne
Glad all your beasties are home, John. I think Rosie was sent to you to make sure your home life never got dull.
Never had Godfather’s Pizza. May I recommend this place? Best pizza in America.
This is distressing me. Greatly.
stuckinred
Quite a day in Savannah. The Westboro fucks are really sorry goobers up close. The last time I stood against them we were kept so far away you couldn’t really see them. They went from church to church as folks were either entering or leaving services so the contra’s moved with them. I’d never heard of them doing something like this, I thought they just did funerals.
Punchy
If our greyhounds ever got out, I’d need a Ferrari to chase them down.
Best cheap, delivered ‘za on the planet is Papa Johns.
JGabriel
John Cole @ Top:
I’ve heard it’s shit, but don’t know for sure. They don’t have any branches in NYC and why would I ever get pizza anywhere else? We pretty much have the best in the country.
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beltane
Chain store pizza is an unpalatable sacrilege. Maybe the Republicans would be better off giving the nomination to Patsy Grimaldi or even The Original Ray.
smith
I live in a city where there are over 100 different pizza chains/restaurants and I have never ever seen a “Godfather’s” pizza store or had their pizza. Herman Cain is Alan Keyes II, pure and simple.
There’s something about Weisberg I just don’t like. He just seems very wishy-washy to me. I mean, just NOW the lightbulb went off in his head about Ryan’s plan and the Republicans in general?
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
As I recall it, Godfather’s pies were a lot like Chuck E. Cheese’s. But the last time I had one was in the mid-’80s, when the store in my neighborhood closed (the other one I recall being in town closed in the early or mid-’90s). Godfather’s could have re-formulated their sauce and dough since then, though, so I can’t speak to what it’s like now.
hilts
Godfather’s Pizza is meh.
The Republican presidential field has more clowns than Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bailey Circus.
Lysana
@Punchy:
Maybe in your area. Every Papa John’s I’ve had the displeasure of being served has been chintzy on the toppings and weak on the taste. Domino’s is what I call decent and cheap. For good, you pay more. Mountain Mike’s is a somewhat local chain to me that does amazing pizza.
NonyNony
When I was a kid I liked Godfather’s a lot.
Haven’t had it in something like 30 years though – and in retrospect I was a pretty stupid kid. It’s likely that Godfather’s Pizza is actually pretty damn bad. As a kid I liked Chuck E Cheese too and, having taken my son there as a birthday present, I KNOW that pizza is fucking awful. I doubt Godfather’s is as bad as CEC but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s worse than Pizza Hut.
Cacti
I was thinking that the biggest predicament for Faux News is that 65 is the average age of their viewers (median).
Another 10-15 years and good portion of their viewership will be dead.
Davis X. Machina
It’s definitely pizza. The founder of the Papa Gino’s chain was the cash register for MA GOP politics for a long while.
Southern Beale
I just did a post on the Roger Ailes piece, too.
What really struck me after reading it was just how cynical Ailes is. How much he manipulates the Fox news coverage and political stance based on the political winds and the need to maximize Fox profits. The whole reason he tacked hard right and nurtured the Tea Party was not, as I had thought, because he believes this shit but to keep Fox News profitable. And when post-Tucson shooting he detected a shift in the public’s tolerance for right wing hate speech, he shifts toward the middle. Suddenly Beck is out, and more moderate voices are in.
It just really made me realize how none of this shit is relevant to anything close to reality. It’s all just theater for fun and profit. And the real tragedy is how much of our public policy and our discourse is affected by what’s basically a manipulation to boost cable network profits.
Very tragic for America.
Jim C
I haven’t had Godfathers since the early 90s (so if what others are saying about reformulation, this is meaningless), when I moved to Chicago, home of great pizzas. Godfather’s was always a step-up from the baseline cheap pizzas: Dominos, Pizza Pit, Paul Revere’s, Gumby’s. It was on par with Pizza Hut, price-wise, though I always found better, largely because it didn’t feel and taste like it had just come out of a deep fryer. It had a very chewy crust, but it was cooked-chewy, not raw-feeling chewy like a Rocky Rococco’s pizza.
Is it any good? Probably not, but if you have lousy local pizza, it’s probably better.
Bmaccnm
@Lysana: To follow yesterday’s thread, Godfathers=Sbarro=any other chain pizza shop- doughy, over processed and no style. It’ll fill your gullet, and maybe that’s what you want. Most towns of any size have a local mom’n’pop or five store chain with better food and a better attitude about the community they belong to. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve become much more attuned to the community. I can spend my money anywhere. Why should I spend it in a chain that doesn’t give anything back but shitty minimum wage jobs, and that has some feeling of entitlement because of said shitty jobs?
Cat Lady
Why are so many food chain honchos wingnuts/fundies? There’s Cain, the guy from Honey Dew Donuts, the guy from Whole Foods, the Papa John’s guy, the Dominos pizza guy, Ray Kroc (before his wife took over), and that’s just off the top of my head. Why do food guys hate America?
That Fox story is sick. Roger Ailes is a malignant cancer on the polity of this country that we may never recover from.
suzanne
@Bmaccnm:
We have a great one down the street called Jimmy & Joe’s. Yesterday we got an e-mail offering us 15% off a “Rapture pizza”.
Haven’t eaten a chain pizza in over two years. But Grimaldi’s is opening down the street…..
piratedan
@suzanne: what is scary is that she fits right in with the political climate in Arizona.
arguingwithsignposts
I don’t think it’s just the pizza. Wal-mart doesn’t make pizzas. Neither does goldman-sachs, or whole foods, or any members of AHIP.
smith
Just finished reading the Ailes story. This guy should feel like he’s on top of the world but instead comes across as a bitter man with a boulder-sized chip on his shoulder. It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Ailes steps down; as is rumored in the piece, Murdoch’s kids aren’t as conservative as their dad and Murdoch’s current wife is an Obama supporter.
It is utterly a joke how FOX has become as big as it has.
Ahasuerus
@Cat Lady:
There are a number of parallels between him and William Randolph Hearst, and it is arguable that the republic not only survived Hearst but prospered (for a while, at least) afterwards. We may simply be at a similar point of another dreary multi-decade cycle.
suzanne
@piratedan: Hey. Careful now. Some of my friends are leading the effort to recall Russell Pearce (sponsor of SB1070) and it looks like they’re gonna do it, well in advance of their deadline. AWESOME.
PurpleGirl
@JGabriel: I think there once was a Godfather’s off Third Avenue in the 30s in Manhattan. But it closed years ago.
Besides growing up and living in NYC, why would I get pizza at a chain store when I can go to an independently owned local pizza place? Best pizza was John’s on Bleecker (?) in the west village.
piratedan
@suzanne: I know, I’ve been following that over @ GOS. Although it may not happen til may due to some incredulous idiocy from the State people being unable to read a statue….
MTmofo
Godfathers Pizza has a locator map that can produce a list by state.
When there was a GFP here back in the day, a pizza purchase usually followed a lot of beers, rendering quality a moot point.
Ahasuerus
@suzanne: Didn’t the former half-term Governer’s archetype of choice purchase a residence somewhere in Arizona?
ETA: removed gratuitous ad-hominem slur on the daughter’s reproductive and marital status
geg6
Why in the world would anyone eat chain pizza? They all suck balls.
Glad the family is still intact, Cole. Jeebus, but you really have a hard time reining in the critters.
As for me, getting ready to think about dinner. Chicken livers wrapped in bacon to start. Then grilled Romaine with a red onion and balsamic reduction vinegrette and bleu cheese. And lastly, fresh Prince Edward Island mussels and spaghetti in a San Marzano tomato, shallot and white wine sauce. Rodney Strong Pinot noir to wash it down and leftover fudge and peanut butter cake. If I do say so myself, I’ve been on a cooking roll this weekend. We will end the evening in a food coma. Always a good way to end a weekend.
Martin
@Southern Beale:
I’ve been saying for a long time, never lose sight of the fact that the news outlets are for-profit businesses. If you want to understand why the news looks as it does in any relatively long arc – Glenn Beck having a show, only Republicans on the sunday shows, etc. look no further than the profit motive.
Julie
There was a Godfather’s pizza in town, and I ate there two times. Once to see what it was like, and the second time to see if it was still as bad as it was the first time we ate there. I can say that I did not weep when the local Godfather’s went out of bidness. I remember the pizza being very oily and doughy. When I want pizza, I make my own. It’s not a that hard to do.
Yutsano
@suzanne: There are quite a few local joints up here but I haven’t sampled yet because A) my building is hell to deliver to (I make the Thai folks do it anyway :) and B) a pizza, even a small one, is too much food for me and the kitteh. Domino’s did do a pretty decent reformulation last year though I must say.
And WOOT DA HOOT on recalling Pierce!
Kirk Spencer
While I was near one, Godfathers was my favorite chain. It was the only chain that made deep dish by default, and that’s my preference.
ARE they any good? Dunno as it’s been more than ten years since I had one. But it used to be consistently decent across the franchises I visited.
Hal
This just amazes me:
Um, isn’t that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in a nutshell? This is the man who said “One good decision doth not a Presidency make.” in regards to Osama Bin Laden, and yes, he used the word doth. Idiot.
huckster
I think it’s really funny that guys like Daniels won’t run because he expects to be cannibalized by his own. he’s right, of course.
Godfather’s was fairly good as I recall. In the inflation ravaged late 70’s when pan pizza was the rage, it provided a lot of bang for the buck. But, of course, being an old fart, everything was better then.
Kirk Spencer
I’d like to add that deep dish and flat are different in a lot of ways. The oiled pan of the deep dish makes the crust seem sodden to the classic flat lover, while the flat is a bone dry cracker to the deep lover. A crust that works well for one doesn’t do so well for the other – and both Godfathers and Pizza Hut proved that a couple of times.
So to repeat my previous comment, IF YOU LIKE DEEP DISH then Godfathers was decent pizza. If you prefer flat, it isn’t.
Hal
On pizza, I’m currently in Buffalo, and the pizza (and of course wings) are pretty damn good. Lived in San Francisco for years, and depending on where you went, pizza could be pretty good to pretty bad. The thing is, Pizza Hut was uniformly the same, and that was at least comforting.
Worst pizza for me was in Atlanta. All bread, practically no sauce, wings were horrible.
Southern Beale
Debbie Schlussel takes ignorance and Islamophobia to new heights, picks on ice cream truck driver by jumping to wild conclusions over shit, er, pee about which she knows nothing.
Surprised?
Southern Beale
If you don’t live in the South and want to know what the emergence of 13-year-cicadas sound like, I’ve posted an audio clip. It’s enough to make someone go bonkers.
Violet
@suzanne:
Sarah’s move to Arizona has been in the works for awhile. Her lawyer moved there, Bristol moved there and now she’s doing it. It’s a better place from which to run her Presidential campaign. The time zone issues aren’t quite as great, but there’s plenty of the crazy to go around.
cleek
@Hal:
in my experience, it’s tough to find good wings in the south. they like to bread the wings before frying. wrong!
but there are a couple of Buffalo-Rochester ex-pat bars in the Raleigh area where i can get awesome wings, and Zwiegle’s hots, and garbage plates, and beef on weck… drool.
Huckster
@Southern Beale:
My God yes. But it reminds me of the sound that white-gas lanterns used to make in my idyllic childhood of camping in the great outdoors.
Poopyman
Regarding Tunch’s Day Off, I wrote here:
Opie–Jeanne’s cat has been gone since Friday night, so consider yourself lucky.
And our Lily (4 yo Siamese mix) took off last night too, but she’s such an indoor cat that she hangs in the yard, and wants to know you’re nearby. If you call her name she answers, but doesn’t come until she’s ready — usually about 2 hours later.
Jazz Superluminar
Anyone tell me what standard pizza costs in the States? Been a while since I was over, I quite like Dominos here but they are way overpriced.
Poopyman
@huckster:
The beer wasn’t. Thank Bieber for microbrews.
Violet
There used to be a Godfather’s near me. I went there when I was dirt poor and they used to leave coupons on my apartment’s door, which made the pizzas almost affordable. As I recall they were marginal at best.
Violet
John Cole, so glad your pets are back. It’s scary when they take off like that.
Huckster
@cleek:
Really? ever really been down south? Totally “naked” everywhere I get them. Hooters doesn’t count BTW
Huckster
@Poopyman:
Fuckin’ A bubba
Alan in SF
Hard to say, but there’s a pizza chain in Prague called Corleone’s that’s pretty good, for Prague.
TheOtherWA
Tunch and Rosie have spring fever. Gotta explore, hunt, socialize with the wild creatures a bit. Glad they’re both home safe & sound.
Hal
@cleek
The first time I ordered wings in SF, they brought fried wings with drops of hot sauce over the top. Funny thing is, I ordered wings from Domino’s in Atlanta, a pizza I normally hated but that I found decent when I was there, and the wings were pretty good for what they were.
Oh, and no on in Western New York says Buffalo Wings. I grew up ordering chicken wings, or wings, and didn’t read or hear the term Buffalo wings until I got to California.
Oh, and I was also surprised Pizza joints didn’t sell wings by the bucket for 10 bucks.
Yutsano
@Jazz Superluminar: Doing a very rough currency conversion in my head, around ten pounds I’d say. (I know the ASCII code for the pound symbol but my laptop seems to be allergic to it. FYUB.) The really good quality stuff anyway. Cheap will run you about six quid.
Admiral_Komack
“Herman Cain runs for GOP presidential nomination”
Big whoop.
He won’t be Abel to win.
Rhoda
I read the Ailes story in NYMag and Gabriel Sherman freaked me the fuck out. I’ve always been creeped out by Ailes, creeped out by FOX, and figured they just represent the 29% of perpetual nasty that this country can conjure up at any particular time. It’s a big country, lot of people, gonna be crazies.
But this is beyond it and to imagine the power Ailes has; it’s crazy that no one else in the media has pushed back against it successfully. I honestly think Ted Turner has done such a disservice to this country not hanging in there and pushing back with CNN; he’s the only guy I could see taking Ailes on at all.
I mean wow. I think the line that killed me was the former Regan guy, head of tea party express saying “Without FOX there would be no tea party.” I mean, we all post that and say that in real life and know it; but to read it. And then to know that CNN is fucking chasing that tea party tail rather than going AGAINST it and creating a contrast and genuine choice; it’s mind boggling.
That Sha Na Na dude being so clear and capable of delivering the Democratic message; maybe we need more entertainment people and should be looking to sign up Matt Damon and Ben Afleck and people who can deliver a line and tell a story. That’s what the ’08 Obama campaign did so well and that’s what FOX does every day and what Republicans do with their unified messages. We need actors; not politicians because the USA has become a reality show and the only way to save it is play the game. That’s maybe an overstatement; but damn. I kinda sorta felt like this before; but reading that article clarified it.
Jazz Superluminar
@Yutsano
ok, thanks, but what size are we talking? Last Dominos I got (medium, 12″) was £15 on delivery. The small sizes I think are about £12. Seems steep for the quality, but I’d like to know if you guys would consider it reasonable…
JGabriel
@PurpleGirl:
Could be, but … that’s been my neighborhood for nearly the past two decades and I have no memory of it. And, yes, John’s Pizza is great. As is Patsy’s in B’klyn, and Lombardi’s (?) in SoHo. In my area, I like Vezzo’s and Bella Napoli.
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Yutsano
@Jazz Superluminar: Those are pretty close to the amount we pay, but in dollars, so yeah, that’s pretty damn steep for mediocre pie. And that’s loaded up with like everything. Domino’s here is pretty good about having specials you’d probably kill for, like £5 pizzas.
(I lurve copy & paste.)
@Suffern ACE:
I find your pizza ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Suffern ACE
@Jazz Superluminar: Unless the pizza has gotten remarkably better, I’m think 12 quid is steal….although I miss from time to time the tuna/sweet corn pizza option that hasn’t seemed to cross the ocean.
But to get more specific, Dominos is about 1/2 as much. For £15 you could get two medium 1 topping pizzas, a side of wings and a 2 liter of coke on special. Last time I did that, I think it set me back $28 with the tip.
Lolis
This place has awesome pizza with arrugula on it:
http://thebackspace-austin.com/#
Maybe it is Obama bait.
gbear
There are a couple of Twin Cities’ pizza chains that are very good (and very different from each other), Carbone’s and Davanni’s. I love Davanni’s pizza and subs. I have no idea what their politics are so I plan on staying in a blissful state of ignorance so I can enjoy the food. I will not order from Domino’s and the last time I had a Godfather’s meal was when I was stuck up in Thief River Falls in NW MN for a night. It seemed like an incredibly popular place with the Arctic Cat snowmobile crowd that inhabits that town.
@Jazz Superluminar: Seems like the price for a large pizza in the Twin Cities runs from $16-20 with three ingredients. Tip not included.
Southern Beale
@JGabriel:
LOVE John’s Pizza! We make a point of going every time we are in NYC. In fact, we will be in the city next week and plan to scarf down some John’s. We usually go to the one in Times Square though, after theater ….
lamh34
Here’s a quick link for ya’ll:
Michelle Obama particpates in “Pit Crew” activities on WH lawn
Well damnit, my hair don’t look nothing like this when I “run” around my yard!!
WaterGirl
@suzanne:After seeing that photo, I would go to that restaurant in a heartbeat. Saw that your mother-in-law was visiting again, hopefully no cow references. As if AZ didn’t have enough crazies (present company excluded), she moves there. So sorry.
water balloon
Living on Long Island, I’ve never been able to eat pizza chain crap. Luckily there are great real Italian pizza places every other block. Good pizza places are pretty rare in Manhattan at this point.
Tsulagi
@JGabriel:
Yeah, have to agree and say by far the best pizza I’ve ever had anywhere I’ve been on the planet has been in NYC.
Ate in one once. Just once. Seemed like generic commercial chain quality pizza. Like Pizza Hut, but not quite as good.
Seems like he had a Palin Bush Doctrine moment. Didn’t have a clue what Palestinian right of return entailed. Guess if it was Katie Kouric posing the question like Palin he could whine she was mean going for a gotcha, but this one was from senior FNS R-fluffer Chris Wallace.
Kinda funny, Cain is supposed to be one of the brightest R-teabaggers. Running for president yet has never held any public office and his only previous shot at one ended with him being the bottom end of a Republican three-way in a R-Senate seat primary.
Still looking forward to Crazy Eyes Bachmann making her formal announcement she’s entering the race. She’s been making a real effort to sane up recently.
eemom
IIRC, Domino’s pizza is owned by an anti-abortion freakazoid. I’d never heard that about Papa John’s, but who knows.
One of my great regrets about being a NY expat is that I sentenced myself to a life without real pizza. WTF was I thinking? : (
Emily L. Hauser/ellaesther
@TheOtherWA: This was what I was thinking! Like us, they were all “God, thank God it’s finally freaking spring! Whooo-hoooooo!”
Like that.
Only in dog-and-cat-eese.
You know.
smiley
@geg6:
I hate to break it to you but there are thousands of communities in this country where chain pizza restaurants are the only choice (other than making it yourself — something not everyone is willing to do — or buying frozen, or doing without). For me, for example to get a non-chain pizza, I would have to drive a half hour, in traffic, park in a parking structure, walk 5 blocks, pick up the pizza, walk back to my car, pay for parking, and then drive for another half hour to get home. Its just not worth an hour and a half (if not longer). It’s just not worth it to me when all the major chains are within a mile or so of where I live. Get over your snobbery, not everyone has your choices (pizza wise).
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
Ironic headline at ESPN.com:
Shoemaker-Levy 9
‘Bout time you paid attention to frontrunner Herman Cain.
Jazz Superluminar
@Yutsano; Suffern ACE
thanks for that. Wow we really are getting creamed on pizza prices it seems. Sadly, most of the local competitors are worse than Doms. I didn’t give the last guy a tip as they took half an hour more delivering due to getting the wrong address on the other side of the city, I also don’t like sweetcorn as it (TMI) goes right through me, but Tuna is nice. Can someone explain the popularity of the Hawaiian though? Hot Pineapple? Ugh!
gbear
@smiley: Just pay $60 to have a taxi deliver it. ;)
Yutsano
@Shoemaker-Levy 9: What you have done there, it has been seen.
@Jazz Superluminar: Grilled warm pineapple is delicious, and when you put ham or Canadian bacon (which is neither Canadian nor bacon, discuss) together you get an interesting salty-sweet thing going. A lot of folks don’t care for it and it’s not my first choice, but if it’s there I’ll have a slice.
gbear
@Jazz Superluminar: You don’t have pineapple upside-down cake there, do you? It can be pretty nummy served warm with a dollop of whipped cream.
Martin
If we do chain pizza, we do Costco. If we’re going to go shitty, might as well be big and cheap.
We don’t do non-chain often – the good places kept closing.
Mostly we make our own on the grill. It’s easy, costs virtually nothing, and tastes vastly better.
stormhit
Lots of chain hate, but Jet’s makes a quality Detroit-style pizza. Which is something I’m guessing you can’t readily find in any of the states that they’ve expanded to recently. Obviously, the franchises elsewhere may blow, but the ones in Metro Detroit have stayed pretty consistent to how it was when it was just a single mom and pop store.
bkny
in my brooklyn nabe, there’s a freakin pizza joint on every block. seriously.
isn’t that domino’s guy establishing his own town in florida.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Jazz Superluminar:
As someone who, for a time, delivered pizzas, it kinda sucks when that happens: The delivery person isn’t usually the person who takes the order, but is the person running from one side of town to the other, while other delivery people are making more deliveries and getting tipped.
Here’s how to handle it, if it happens again (assuming that the delivery person didn’t make the mistake): When the delivery arrives, call the store (or have the delivery person do so) and work out a discount with the manager. The person running the shift can usually give you a significant discount (30%-50% was typical at hour store if a delivery took that long). Then you can still tip the delivery person, and you’ll still have gotten a discount.
WaterGirl
@Martin: How do you make pizza on a grill?
eemom
also too, TRUE pizza — like one gets in NYC — doesn’t need ANY toppings.
also three, just about any little old mom’n’pop pizza joint anywhere in the five boroughs beats the crap out of the very best that can possibly be found in any other U.S. city.
damn, but this topic is depressing me. : ( : ( : (
Jazz Superluminar
No we do have the upside-down cake thing, and I will admit it’s pretty nice, but I can’t stand the savoury versions. I guess it’s a YMMV kinda thing.
shalimar
With regard to Cain and Godfather’s Pizza. He ran it when it was owned by Pillsbury in the mid to late 80s, and then put together an LBO to buy it from Pillabury and take it private in 1988. By all accounts he ran the company well, but he had nothing to do with starting it and also resigned as CEO in 1996 and hasn’t been affiliated with Godfather’s since. So he shouldn’t be associated with them in the same way as the CEOs of Papa John’s or Domino’s are with their chains.
Southern Beale
But if we’re talking pizza I’m torn between New York City pizza and Italian pizza. Italian pizza (like, from Italy, the real thing) is very different but still super yummy. We actually have two places in Nashville which have Italian pizza ovens, they had to bring some committee over from Italy to test the oven and give it its blessing. So we get a pretty close approximation of Italian pizza here. But New York style pizza, fuhgeddaboudit. Not here in Nashville.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@bkny:
FIFY. And, yes, he is.
Tom Monaghan sold Domino’s to Mitt Romney’s company ~12 years ago. Romney and David Brandon (now the athletic director at the University of Michigan) took it public in order to pay Monaghan. It wasn’t the most stunning IPO, seeing that it was public knowledge that a huge portion of the capital raised was going to go to Monaghan.
PurpleGirl
@JGabriel: My memory of the place is fuzzy. I started working on Park Ave South and 30th Street in 1993 or 94 and I think I passed it while going to the Third Ave bus. I never went to check it out and or buy pizza there. But it wasn’t there very long.
There was a kosher pizza place on Park Ave South that my office bought from for office wide lunches — we could get plain or veggie pizza our Muslim controller could eat with us.
cleek
@Huckster:
yeah, sure.
lived in Raleigh for 14 years. had wings in Atlanta, Miami, Alabama, all over NC, etc.. lots of breaded wings.
@Hal:
they did when i was in college. we paid a kid $10 to drink the inch of hot sauce and butter at the bottom of a bucket once. he did it. i assume it’s because he was Korean.
Southern Beale
@smiley:
I can appreciate that, because until really recently when we got the aforementioned Italian pizza ovens that described Nashville to a T. But I’m that picky of an eater, yes I am. If it’s not wonderful I won’t waste the calories. If it’s gonna be sucky and not perfect, I’d just as soon make my own. That way at least it’s healthy and my money doesn’t go toward some rightwing nutjob freakazoid.
I’m really picky about my pizza. The crust has to be just right of course, and then one of my huge pet peeves is a sauce with too much sugar in it.
I’ll do something pizza-ish. I’ll buy a pizza crust and put some olive oil and fresh herbs and cheeses on it, or maybe experiment and do like oregano and blue cheese or something like that.
Chris
@Lit3Bolt:
It’s always (almost always) a matter of whose ox is to be gored. This time, it’s theirs, so now all of a sudden it’s a bad thing.
sneezy
It’s show biz. Not just Fox News, but CNN, MSNBC, the broadcast networks, etc. Everything on commercial TV is show biz, and that’s the most important thing to remember about it.
joes527
@WaterGirl: I did this the first time almost by accident. It was the middle of summer, I had the skins all ready to go (I make them the day before and let them rise overnight in the refrigerator. (THAT’s the secret)) but it was way too hot to consider firing up the oven. I’ve got this religious thing about not running the oven on the hottest days of summer when I break down and run the AC.
In any case, I have a webber kettle. I got the coals nice and hot, and then moved them to the perimeter, so there wouldn’t be any coals right under the pizza. I started the pizza on a pan (the kind with the holes in it to let as much heat through as possible.) As soon as the crust was stiff enough to sit right on the grill, I removed the pan. I cooked the pizza with the lid on.
Best. Pizza. Ever.
James E. Powell
@smiley: s
Now why would I want to do a thing like that? Snobbery, particularly when it relates to such inconsequential matters as pizza, is its own reward. I will never give it up.
Woodrowfan
NYC pizza is great. Godfather’s wasn’t bad, bu the last time I ate there I think was after seeing ET in the theater.
joes527
@eemom:
So, I don’t got to new York much, but last time I was there I popped into a mom’n’pop pizza joint. The pizza was amazingly mediocre. I’ve had better in mall food courts.
I guess I picked the one clunker in NYC.
ED: I didn’t like the chili I got in Cincinnati either, so I guess I’m just hard to please.
Southern Beale
Eric Boehlert just Tweeted the following about that Roger Ailes piece in New York magazine:
No fucking shit! And ditto the news about Rupert Murdoch’s million dollar political donations.
But IOKIYAR
Martin
@WaterGirl: Oh, it’s pretty easy. Stretch out your dough and toss it on the grill, and cook it over high heat until it’s browned (just a couple of minutes). The other side will be mostly undone. Take it off and put it on a large cutting board with the cooked side up. Put on your sauce and toppings and put it back on the grill, and for most grills, turn down the heat and close the lid. The residual heat in the grills will finish the crust and the heat will accumulate to cook the top. Better, if you have a grill with a rotisserie burner turn it on and hit both top and bottom with high heat and you’ll crisp the bottom as well as do a nice browning on the top. My Weber gets up to 700, so it does a nice job of it.
Hal
@cleek
Extreme Atkin’s Diet.
Suffern ACE
@joes527: Nope. Nope. You fell victim to NY boosterism hyperbole. There are probably a dozen places worth seeking out and hundreds that are a step down from Sbarro.
JGabriel
@PurpleGirl:
Yeah, that was on 31st which is right around the corner from me. We undoubtedly passed each other on the street sometime circa 17 years ago, PG.
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jeffreyw
I like pizza.
jeffreyw
More good news!
TheOtherWA
@Emily L. Hauser/ellaesther: Exactly. Everyone, including animals, gets frisky after winter finally ends. And want to look for some tail. So to speak.
TheOtherWA
@bkny: Yeah, it’s called Ave Maria, near Fort Myers. Sounds scary. The plan is to have any businesses there conform to Catholic beliefs. The pharmacy won’t be allowed to stock birth control, etc..
You couldn’t pay me to live there.
Anne Laurie
@Cat Lady:
Making a huge profit on food (as opposed to making a living) is really, really hard. The kind of person who can succeed at predicting what’s going to be popular, where the potential clients are located, and how to make bank in a field with thin margins, tons of employees, a myriad of suppliers, etc. is probably going to be a self-centered control freak who’s convinced everybody is trying to cheat him and that the world is a mean, nasty place where only the strong survive. In other words, a modern Republican — or worse, Libertarian.
There are exceptions, I’m pretty sure… Dave Thomas, of Wendy’s, has done a lot to encourage/enable adoption of older & special-needs foster kids around here, at least. But, in general, it’s not really surprising that food-based entrepreneurs are even bigger public nuisances than your average CEO (who I think have replaced Twain’s lawyers as ‘the only natural criminal class in America’).
Southern Beale
File this under nobody could have anticipated:
jetan
Their pizza blows.
Southern Beale
@jeffreyw:
Dude is that strawberry shortcake? That looks so fucking awesome I could kill you.
We’re on a diet at my house. Saving up for out trip to New York when we get to blow it all on pizza and beer.
Jewish Steel
This paragraph in the Ailes peice:
made me question the judgement of the author.
Emily L. Hauser/ellaesther
@TheOtherWA: Or at least to go some place where every tail knows your name.
Or something.
Lesley
You missed a priceless photo op there, JC.
Cassidy
Keep seeing all this “NYC Pizza” crap….all I remember is it was overpriced and tasted no different than the cheese pizza at CiCi’s.
jeffreyw
@Southern Beale:
Yup–from this recipe: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/chic-easy/strawberry-shortcake-recipe/index.html
Mark S.
I remember seeing a Godfather’s Pizza when I was visiting Seattle in like 2000. I remarked at the time I thought they all went out of business. Haven’t seen one since.
wobblybits
@Southern Beale: Which places in Nashville? I’m over by Vandy and have been living off of Costco pizza.
Davis X. Machina
You want pizza
snobberyinformed criticism by a bunch of obsessives? I have your pizzasnobberyinformed criticism by a bunch of obsessives right here.From Jenkintown, PA to the Piazza Campo dei Fiori, they’ve got it covered.
Ruckus
@joes527:
I didn’t like the chili I got in Cincinnati either, so I guess I’m just hard to please
That crap is NOT chili. I’ll just give it the title of meat sauce. In the same way the beef at Taco Hell is considered beef. But that Skyline crap is not chili. So not liking that is not being hard to please. It just shows good taste.
geg6
@smiley:
Chill, dude. I’ve traveled all over the country and rarely seen a town (with the exception of large swaths of the south) that didn’t have a mom and pop pizza shop that has pizza 100% better than any chain. And if there are two Italian families in a town, one of them has a pizza shop. I’m lucky in that the Pittsburgh area has a large Italian population and thus, excellent pizza. Around here, if you don’t have a 70 or 80 year old wood oven, your pizza is sadly lacking. I realize my good fortune, but unless you’re in the south or the wilderness in Wyoming or Montana or something, you most likely have a decent local pizza joint.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mark S.:
Yeah, they used to be all over Puget Sound back in the 80’s, then they went away.
Mark S.
Oh god, so President Cain would offer the Palestinians “nothing” except the right of return. That is too fucking stupid.
quaint irene
John, you must be softening on Rosie. Previously, when there was some dustup involving her, you were making sounds about getting her relocated.
arguingwithsignposts
@eemom: Just so we’re clear, tomato paste is a topping, as is cheese.so unless you’re eating dough with olive oil on it, all pizza needs toppings.
/dev/null
I’m a pizza exile living *in* New York. I grew up in Massachusetts, so to me the finest pizza in the world is New England Greek Mom & Pop style. Most of these places are known as “[insert town name] House of Pizza” and they are awesome. Oh I miss it so.
WaterGirl
@joes527: @Martin: Huh. Would could have known? I have the old-fashioned coal webber, but I am going to try this.
Do you guys think it would work with “skinny” pizza, too? (where the dough is really really thin and has no yeast) That’s the kind of pizza I usually make, but I could go with a yeast dough if that’s what I need to do.
Personally, I either want “pan” pizza where the crust is thick or really skinny pizza where the crust is really, really thin. Not much of a fan of the in-between stuff.
Yutsano
I hate you all. Because of you, I’m now ordering a Canadian bacon, anchovy, mushroom, onion, olive, tomato, spinach, and sunflower seed pizza. At least it was only a 10 inch pie so I won’t feel like a total pig.
@WaterGirl: It should, since unleavened breads are often baked at high temperatures. As long as you oil up the grates enough to prevent stickage.
Mike G
I found a few really good pizza places visiting Manhattan – John’s and Totonno’s. There’s also a lot of meh places indistinguishable from the big chains around the tourist spots.
I also love Chicago-style deep dish pizza — almost a different food product from its NY cousin with actual sidewalls in the crust and cheese you could dive into. Giordano’s, Lou Malnati’s, mmmmm…
hilts
@Cassidy:
You obviously visited the wrong pizzerias. NYC has the greatest pizza in America
@arguingwithsignposts
Truly great pizza requires no toppings
WaterGirl
@Yutsano: I didn’t even think of that. thanks.
@arguingwithsignposts: sauce is an optional topping in my book – my best pizza (so far) is thin crust, no sauce, mozzarella & pepperjack cheese, kalamata olives and roasted red peppers. By the way, loved your link on another post today: This is awkward. Absolutely loved it!
Reality Check
Dick Armey on Daniel’s exit: “Maybe it’s time to draft Paul Ryan”.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55454.html
Bold thought!
Jeffro
@suzanne: OMG, there it is again…
Reality Check
Also,Democrats panicked over Christie entering the race?
Could be.
Davis X. Machina
@Reality Check:
More failing upwards.
Alan in SF
New Yorkers — where’s the love for Artichoke’s on East 14th? Not gourmet, but a great slice.
Damned at Random
Godfathers was popular in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas back in the late ’70’s- early ’80’s. It had a lot of black olives, not much seasoning in the sauce. I hated it, but I loved a guy who loved it, so what can I say. I won’t be voting for Cain
Southern Beale
@wobblybits:
The best pizza in Nashville is Porta Via on White Bridge Rd. across from Target. Not cheap, it’s a sit-down restaurant, but it’s authentic. A good second is Pizza Napoli in Edgehille Village, is you know where Taco Mamacitas is, it’s in there, in the back.
Southern Beale
@wobblybits:
Of course if you’re by Vandy everyone goes to Pizza Perfect on 21st. I’ve never had CostCo pizza so maybe PP is better … to me it’s just so-so.
Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal
once upon a time there was a godfather’s pizza in downtown pittsburgh, across from the old jail, near duquesne university. i didn’t like their ads. never ate there.
plus this is a pizza-fortunate community.
a number of shops have been in business 60 years without advertising or delivering, and they are always packed. then you even have a couple of places that are what a real mob pizza place looks like, if that is your idea of americana.
why go to the fake when you can have the real.
Lolis
@Reality Check:
Panicked? I think we would be thrilled if Christie jumped in. His poll numbers are bad. He wouldn’t come close to winning in his own state. He would not wear well in a year and a half campaign with constant attention and scrutiny.
water balloon
I said it before and I’ll repeat myself. The really good pizza isn’t to be found in NYC. You have to go to the suburbs in NJ, Connecticut and Long Island to get the good stuff.
Jeffro
@Reality Check: Yes please, do bring on Christie, that would be awesome. He’d go over really well in the South once it was revealed he was not up for the usual race/religion shenanigans the GOP puts on every four years.
Or better yet, if he really caved and tried to fake like he WAS up for the usual race/religion shenanigans…that’d be epic. =)
Reality Check
@Jeffro:
Social issues don’t matter this time. The evangelicals are going to have to shut up and sit at the back of the bus this time, they’ve had their time to run things, now it’s our (fiscal conservatives) turn to have a go, and Christie is perfect.
Damned at Random
If you’re in Oregon, Abby’s smoked oyster pizza is delicious
DPirate
Yes, let’s all be proud of Obama’s words. Unfortunate that there is never any action to back them up.
A good vocabulary is what I value most in my country’s leadership…
MattR
@arguingwithsignposts: @WaterGirl: Sorry to be picky, but just because tomato sauce and cheese are placed on top of the dough does not make them toppings. They are key ingredients that make up a pizza. On that note, I’ll also argue that white pizza without sauce is really pizza like white chocolate is really chocolate.
@water balloon: Delizia on 92nd and 2nd was the best on the upper east side (as of 2001 when I moved out). But nothing topped the round sicilian made by a now defunct family joint where I grew up in Rockland County. They key is find a small, Italian family owned joint and the proportion of those are much higher in the suburbs compared to NYC.
Suffern ACE
@Jeffro: Honestly, I can’t believe that that many people in North Carolina would have an opinion one way or another. I wonder what the results would be if they just started naming random states…
Yutsano
@Reality Check: BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh that was rich. Heartiest laugh I’ve had in awhile. You honestly think they’ll just sit back quietly and let the fiscal conservatives run the show? Honey, they’ve tasted POWER, they aren’t going to go back to their churces quietly.
DaddyJ
Grew up in in Omaha, so I had a fair acquaintance with Godfathers in my high school years. It was well inside the ropy-tentacles-of-cheese circle of the pizza Venn diagram. Liked it then; would probably find it digusting now. But on Friday nights my high school crowd rarely went to Godfather’s; we would pile in the car for a 50-mile road trip to Lincoln for Valentino’s–an old style Italian joint with twinkle lights, fluorescent Venetian dioramas and spumoni.
WereBear
I am quite fortunate in having a great pizza joint 3 minutes away.
And they have the only garlic knots in the whole Adirondack Park, I’m pretty sure.
Anne Laurie
@/dev/null:
If only those lazy so-called physicists would get their arses in gear, we could swap! Grew up in NYC, moved to Michigan for college, and my introduction to Greek pizza was serious culture shock. Now I’m a Masshole, and inured to the East Coast Greek-variant, which is not as thick as the Midwestern model but still ‘breadier’ than the Bronx slice. One of the checklist items when we bought our house, in fact, was ‘must have decent pizza delivery access’… although our local fave is not H’o’P but “My Brother’s Place”, which I’ve seen used in several other MA towns as well.
catperson
Tunch can run? Huh.
Or is that “outrun Cole?”
RossInDetroit
Look, ‘best’ chain pizza is like a Grand Champion schnauzer. It’s still a dog.
ETA: not that there aren’t family restaurants with pretty dire pies as well.
dww44
@Southern Beale: @Cacti:
Actually, here at the southern limit of where they hatched (on the fall line thru the center of Georgia) their emergence is well past prime, but back on April 21 or so, we’d get up in the a.m. and our carport would be covered in them. Picked them up and they began emitting that mating noise. After a few hours, we’d watch them lift off into the surrounding (had to be decidious forests for them) woods and collectively their humming noise was unbelievable. Sorta like a bunch of helicopters from a good distance away. We’re so used to it now, we almost don’t pay it any attention.
WaterGirl
@Southern Beale: My dog got upset when I played your video clip. He was moved not only to bark indignantly, but also to moving to entirely new location across the room. Not a fan, I guess.
For me, it brought back sounds i remembered from childhood.
CaseyL
The go-to pizza chain out here in Seattle for many years has been Pagliacci. The last few times I had it, I don’t remember being all that impressed, but wasn’t sure if the pizza had declined in quality or if I was remembering Pagliacci pizzas past with rose-colored taste buds. So to speak.
But at work we ordered pizza from a place on Capital Hill called Padrino’s – a single shop, not a chain – and it was so incredibly good I still drool whenever I think about the place. Fabulous customer service, too: I had to call back to change our order three times, because the attorneys kept adding more toppings or side dishes, and the Padrino’s folks were fine with that. They also delivered the food pretty fast.
Damn. I want one of their pies. Like, now.
skyweaver
Godfather’s used to have incredible pizza, but the last time I ate there was in the late 80s when I lived in Houston (now in Fairfax, VA.) Who knows what changes might have happened after that, but I really thought at the time that it was absolutely unrivaled. The crust was always perfect, the toppings so tasty that it always seemed like homemade pies made by an expert who loved to do make them.
Yutsano
@CaseyL: I found a place up this way called Amante’s that I ordered a fantastic salmon pasta from a couple of weeks back. This time I opted for a pizza. Only disappointment: low-quality anchovies. The rest of it was superb.
If Padrino’s is in the downtown area I might keep that in my pocket for the next case processing/potluck day.
Cain
@Mark S.:
I think I would make a great president! :)
Corner Stone
Alright, my slice story. We were in NYC in Dec 2005 and had been to Ground Zero and the financial district. We took a taxi down the wharf and the driver fell asleep at every stoplight. No kidding. The dude fell asleep every time he stopped the cab. This was in broad daylight.
After I asked him about it, we decided to GTFO and walk a bit. And so we ended up at Dave Letterman’s CBS studios.
A block or two away from that place we found a pizza place and went for a slice. Best damn pepperoni slice I had had to that point. No idea what the name was. Small place that may have sat four tables inside. Looked like it might have been a converted Subways shop. We got a slice to go, and ate it on the walk. Seriously good shit, I’ll give it that.
For those familiar with the Houston area, Fuzzy’s or Star’s are both damn good for specialty/unique style pizzas.
Gretchen
Lots of Godfather’s pizzas here in Kansas City, but I went off pizza after eating too much of it when my kids were little, including Godfather’s. I’ve consumed my lifetime’s allotment of pizza, and don’t care if I never have another as long as I live.
birthmarker
@Southern Beale: Names of these pizza spots, please…
RossInDetroit
I had pretty decent food service pizza today for lunch. Herbed, stuffed crust, sauce and cheese. Nothing like a real family style restaurant pie of course. The better (much costlier) prepared commercial stuff goes down very well. I work at a school most of the time so I get a lot of bulk prepared meals. The cafeteria tries hard to have healthy, high quality offerings but most of the students want breaded chicken particles and curly fries.
Matt McIrvin
The thing I remember about Godfather’s was that their standard “pizza with the works” (house special, Supreme, whatever they called it) always had an unusually large quantity of onions on it. Don’t know why, but they really leaned on the onions and they overpowered everything else.
fasteddie9318
@Mark S.:
It’s no dumber than the fact that he knows Obama is fucking up Afghanistan without knowing what he’d do differently. I can’t believe his handlers let him go out and say shit without at least trying to give him the first fucking clue what he’s talking about.
Then again, I’ve been imagining a Republican presidential candidate who had the balls to shout in the middle of a debate “GODDAMNIT I DON’T NEED TO READ BOOKS AND KNOW STUFF LIKE THESE EGGHEAD LIBERALS IN ORDER TO LEAD THIS GLORIOUS GOD BLESSED COUNTRY!” I think that candidate would jump 10-15% in the Republican polls overnight. Maybe that’s where Cain is heading.
Mnemosyne
Yutsano, if you’re still around, the Mario Batali pizza place in LA that you were trying to think of is Pizzaria Mozza. Haven’t been there yet — a little afraid of the prices.
My favorite local pizza is, not surprisingly, made by a family that originally came from Chicago. And it has the presidential seal of approval from when he went to Occidental. One of my bosses introduced me to Dino’s Pizza and it’s pretty good, too. Sadly, my stomach will not allow me to eat tomatoes at the moment, so I must go pizza-less.
Yutsano
@Mnemosyne: Well the nice part about Italian food is you can manage to skip tomatoes entirely should it become necessary. There are several sauces and meat and pasta combinations that are either cream or olive oil based. And I admit I’m highly partial to pasta with just garlic and myzithra cheese.
The prices look about right for a high-class pizza joint in a major city. The place I’m dying to try (and should have when I had friends in town, grr) is Serious Pie which is run by a big-time local chef up here. I’m especially dying to try the potato and rosemary one. Carb overload. :)
PS I predict the thread up above is about to turn massively toxic, so thank you for giving me a chance to bail out.
@FlipYrWhig: Personal experience. Thomas was himself adopted.
FlipYrWhig
@Anne Laurie:
I thought Thomas’s adoption efforts arose from pro-life zealotry. Unless I’m thinking of Monaghan.
ruemara
Meh, who buys pizza anymore? What chain could make my fabu broccoli, garlic and cheese pizza? Or the eggplant tapanade one, or the bacon and caramelized onions with brie? Besides, if it’s Herman Cain, it has to be bad.
Mnemosyne
@FlipYrWhig:
You’re thinking of Monaghan. As Yutsano said, Thomas’ strong support for adoption came from his own experience as an adoptee.
ETA:
@Yutsano:
I’m mostly just reading right now because Keaton decided to fall asleep on my hand and I only have one typing hand.
Yutsano
@Mnemosyne: AL bailed me out, but thanks for at least trying. Your Galtian overlord is just asserting himself, it’s totally normal. Mine has been randomly growling all day.
Xenos
@Ahasuerus:
Does Ailes have grandchildren? I would not be surprised to see the next iteration of the SLA go after them. Because if Ailes and his cronies prevail, there will be plenty of new iterations of the SLA.
Jose Padilla
The photos from the Thirties and Forties were great. I found the photo of the grocery store in Nebraska from 1942 particularly interesting. You could get an orange for a penny! Adjusting for inflation that would be the equivalent in 13 cents today. That’s about a quarter of what an orange would cost today. And five pounds of apples for 25 cents? That’s about half of the cost of five pounds of apples today, after adjusting for inflation. And this was at a small grocery store in Nebreska in the middle of WWII. I thought the price of food had come down over the last few decades?