Here’s Another Open Thread

Since I obviously just spent the last ten minutes trolling my own website. Again.

Sorry, I’m cranky and some times I seriously can not help myself.

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March 30, 2011 3:19 pm Posted in: Open Thread  118 Comments

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  1. beltane - March 30, 2011 | 3:25 pm · Link

    Tom Levenson’s post last night was very good. I prefer Albrecht Durer to Lucas Cranch but it was still a good post. Maybe he will write a post about Henry II and the origins of that whole rule of law thingie. The Republican party seems to have forgotten their supposedly beloved Anglo-Saxon roots.

  2. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 3:30 pm · Link

    No Open Thread has ever turned out well! Explain to me why this time is going to be any different! You can’t, can you? Another Open Thread quagmire for the Juicican Empire. Sigh.

  3. Cermet - March 30, 2011 | 3:31 pm · Link

    That explains why the competence level of the trolling posts went even further down or is it why the competence of the blog went up when you stopped … .

  4. aimai - March 30, 2011 | 3:34 pm · Link

    To paraphrase Rudigore “If a man can’t troll his own threads, whose threads can he troll?”

    aimai

  5. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 3:37 pm · Link

    @aimai: Ask not for whom the thread trolls. It trolls for thee.

  6. Violet - March 30, 2011 | 3:39 pm · Link

    @FlipYrWhig:
    Trolling is as trolling does.

  7. freelancer - March 30, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link

    How many threads can a man troll down, before you call him a troll?

  8. Failure, Inc. - March 30, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link

    I think that Mr. Cole is just trying to wear out the usual suspects.

    It seems to be working.

  9. 4jkb4ia - March 30, 2011 | 3:41 pm · Link

    But I can’t seem to get to you through the US mail…

    Via Greg Sargent, Russ Feingold: Jeffrey Immelt Must Go Very nicely done.

    On the other end of the blog divide, Abu Muqawama could use your help in Twitter Fight Club tomorrow because Glenn Greenwald has not even been trying. I blame Adam Serwer for roping me into this.

  10. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 3:42 pm · Link

    No self-controll.

    It’s your blog and you can be as cranky as you want to. I seriously cannot believe that people email you to bitch about other commenters. Some lives are sorely in need of getting gotten.

  11. Violet - March 30, 2011 | 3:45 pm · Link

    It’s John’s blog and he’ll troll if he wants to, troll if he wants to….

  12. Carnacki - March 30, 2011 | 3:46 pm · Link

    @beltane: You always have to drag up Henry II, beltane. Always. There was that post about soccer and you had to go, “Well, Henry II thought soccer helped build character.” Or that post about WWII and you commented, “Henry II would have invaded Normandy in 1943 and not bothered with North Africa.” I swear, you love Henry II so much why don’t you dig up his corpse and marry him?

  13. eemom - March 30, 2011 | 3:46 pm · Link

    for what shall it profit a man to troll his own blog, if he loseth his own shit?

  14. Comrade Mary - March 30, 2011 | 3:47 pm · Link

    Here’s some news to cheer everyone up: I just took my Vitamin D again!

    (Not doing it for you? Well, it’s cheering me up. Plus, the long bike ride in actual sunlight helped, too).

    Hey John, do you have an old bike hiding in your garage? Why not just go out and pedal a bit?

  15. licensed to kill time - March 30, 2011 | 3:47 pm · Link

    how many trolls would a john cole chuck if a john cole would chuck trolls?

  16. Amir_Khalid - March 30, 2011 | 3:48 pm · Link

    Well, there have been quite a few threads, “open” or not, where John Cole and a few particular commenters have wound up hissing and snarling at each other over the US intervention in Libya — he’s even pie-filtered one commenter, so I understand.

    So let’s not steer the conversation that way.

    Has anybody seen Sucker Punch? I know I said the poster screams “cinematic abomination” (and so do four out of five film critics, per RottenTomatoes.com). But is it just bad bad, or entertainingly bad?

  17. Carnacki - March 30, 2011 | 3:48 pm · Link

    @Violet: AHG Evil of you to put that song in my head! I hate you. I hate all of you. /John Cole Cranky Pants

  18. cyntax - March 30, 2011 | 3:49 pm · Link

    Trollius and Cressida.

  19. harokin - March 30, 2011 | 3:49 pm · Link

    Whatever happened to El Cid, who was always good for a wry chuckle?

  20. Under the Aurora Freeway - March 30, 2011 | 3:49 pm · Link

    Burn Fiesta Bowl, Burn!

  21. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 3:50 pm · Link

    @Amir_Khalid: Sucker Punch is just like the other Zack Snyder movies, and history has shown that getting involved in those never ends well.

  22. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 3:50 pm · Link

    Ugh, I just read the thread in question and see that it’s specific trollery, not a general version of same. Good job, Cole, you asshole. Set up the chalkboard in front of the fingernails and run away.

  23. Trinity - March 30, 2011 | 3:52 pm · Link

    I Troll therefore I Am.

  24. eemom - March 30, 2011 | 3:53 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    I was quite honored, actually. I didn’t think he cared.

  25. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 3:54 pm · Link

    @cyntax: Oooh, good one.

    Troll of Tears.

    Troll and error.

    If at first you don’t succeed, troll, troll again.

  26. schrodinger's cat - March 30, 2011 | 3:54 pm · Link

    I has a happeh, India won its semifinal against Pakistan and is now on to the finals. YAY!

  27. dmsilev - March 30, 2011 | 3:55 pm · Link

    First GOP debate postponed due to national clown shortage. Quote of the day:

    John Heubusch, executive director for the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation, explained in a statement: “Although there will be a long and impressive list of Republican candidates who eventually take the field, too few have made the commitment thus far for a debate to be worthwhile in early May.”

    Remember, kids, less than 300 shopping days left until the Iowa caucuses.

    dms

  28. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 3:55 pm · Link

    @shortstop: Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the river.

  29. Josie - March 30, 2011 | 3:55 pm · Link

    @Comrade Mary: Yay for you (vitamin d). And you are right about sunlight. In fact, I am going to leave this wretched computer and go out to work in the yard. Thanks for the nudge.

  30. cyntax - March 30, 2011 | 3:56 pm · Link

    @Amir_Khalid:

    Entertainingly bad is a rare thing. More than likely it’s just ponderously bad. I mean the wife and I thought Alien vs. Predator was hilarious (pyramids under Antartica’s ice cap??!!), but YMMV.

  31. joes527 - March 30, 2011 | 3:57 pm · Link

    @Comrade Mary:

    Hey John, do you have an old bike hiding in your garage? Why not just go out and pedal a bit?

    Given John’s accident history … that probably wouldn’t end well.

  32. cyntax - March 30, 2011 | 3:59 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    Troll and error.

    Nice.

    Troll and consequence?

  33. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 3:59 pm · Link

    @FlipYrWhig: They asked me how I knew my troll love was true.

  34. Tonal Crow - March 30, 2011 | 3:59 pm · Link

    We saw a troll, a mighty troll, and left the field in haste,
    For fighting with so grave a foe,
    Our knighthood’s sure to waste.

  35. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:02 pm · Link

    @cyntax: 76 trollbones.

  36. Bulworth - March 30, 2011 | 4:05 pm · Link

    Remember, kids, less than 300 shopping days left until the Iowa caucuses.

    Can we move it up, or schedule some new clown events? I could use the entertainment.

  37. Amir_Khalid - March 30, 2011 | 4:07 pm · Link

    @dmsilev:

    They’re all saying politely to each other: “After you.” “No, after you.”

    I guess none of those Republican presidential “hopefuls” really wants the 2012 nomination, if it amounts to being crowned King of the Tea Party Klowns and a humiliating defeat in the election proper.

  38. cyntax - March 30, 2011 | 4:08 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    ...lead the parade.

    Win.

  39. Tim, Interrupted - March 30, 2011 | 4:09 pm · Link

    Oh please, Cole.

    The way Obots use the term “troll” around here, EVERY post and comment they disagree with is trolling.

    So…fuck them and post what you want. It’s entertaining, especially when you’re meds are especially out of whack. It’s like having two ABLs.

  40. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:10 pm · Link

    @schrodinger’s cat: I’m with you, sc. Sri Lanka better bring it.

  41. Violet - March 30, 2011 | 4:11 pm · Link

    Troll, troll, troll your blog
    Gently down the thread.
    Merrily, verily, warily, scarily
    Post where few will tread.

  42. eemom - March 30, 2011 | 4:14 pm · Link

    anybody wanna play troll or dare?

  43. soonergrunt - March 30, 2011 | 4:15 pm · Link

    they see him trollin’, they be hatin’.

  44. justawriter - March 30, 2011 | 4:16 pm · Link

    I hear you John. Sometimes, after reading a couple of blogs I just have to go and watch unicorns fart rainbows until the headaches go away and the blood pressure gauge dips below OMFG-STROKE AHEAD zone.

  45. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:18 pm · Link

    You were lyin’ when you should have been trollin’.

  46. mutt - March 30, 2011 | 4:18 pm · Link

    Anybody remember this? It was a bit over a year since I got back from VN. My vets outfit, VVAW supported the guy who made it back to the states….. what they did was heroic, right, and shouldnt be forgotten. it says “Open thread” what the hell…..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....e_incident

  47. schrodinger's cat - March 30, 2011 | 4:19 pm · Link

    @shortstop: Rooting for India all the way! Wondering whether Sachin Tendulkar will make his 100 th century in one day internationals. SriLanka is a formidable team though. I am excited.

  48. Rommie - March 30, 2011 | 4:19 pm · Link

    Hey, Jim Tressel apologized for getting caught Breakin’ Teh Law, so I’m guessing he’ll keep the details out of e-mails from now on. You have to learn from your mistakes, you know.

    I’ll enjoy watching the Fiesta Bowl burn too, but there’s a downside: the logical replacement is a Jerry Jones Ego Bowl in his new entertainment palace.

  49. eemom - March 30, 2011 | 4:19 pm · Link

    Papa was a trolling Cole

  50. General Stuck - March 30, 2011 | 4:21 pm · Link

    OK, where’d you all score this acid. I want some.

  51. aimai - March 30, 2011 | 4:21 pm · Link

    @joes527:
    Oh, I don’t know, only if he bikes on the rooftop with a ladder, a rake, a dog, some ice, a helmet, and his lazyboy. Then he’s really going to be in trouble.

    aimai

  52. schrodinger's cat - March 30, 2011 | 4:22 pm · Link

    @shortstop: He was the best of trolls, he was the worst of trolls.
    I is on your internet, trolling your my blog
    To troll or not to troll, that is the question.

  53. R-Jud - March 30, 2011 | 4:22 pm · Link

    Old King Troll was a grumpy old soul
    And a grumpy old soul was he
    He called for his cat
    And he called for his dogs
    And he called for his posh green tea

  54. Vibrant Pantload, fka Studly Pantload - March 30, 2011 | 4:22 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    I’ll see your 76 trollbones, and raise you 99 trollballoons.

    Sincerely,
    Vibrant,
    Trollbot for Obama

  55. Citizen_X - March 30, 2011 | 4:23 pm · Link

    Don’t know what it all means, but in the middle of her newscast, some bleached-blonde newsbot started nonchalantly praying to Cthulhu, or telling Klaatu not to destroy Earth, or something.

  56. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 4:23 pm · Link

    @Vibrant Pantload, fka Studly Pantload: worry, worry, super scurry!

  57. licensed to kill time - March 30, 2011 | 4:27 pm · Link

    God save the troll!
    We mean it, man
    It ain’t no human bein’
    And John Cole’s screeeeeaaaaamin’!

    NO future
    NO future
    NO future for trolls…......

  58. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:27 pm · Link

    @schrodinger’s cat: It will be excellent. Jai Hind!

  59. schrodinger's cat - March 30, 2011 | 4:29 pm · Link

    @shortstop: From your keyboard to ceiling cat’s ears.

  60. freelancer - March 30, 2011 | 4:29 pm · Link

    They’ll troll you when you’re walking on the floor
    They’ll troll you when you’re walking through the door
    But I would not feel so all alone
    Everybody must get trolled!

  61. schrodinger's cat - March 30, 2011 | 4:30 pm · Link

    Sorry, I’m cranky and some times I seriously can not help myself.

    The switch is complete. Tunch has finally taken over the blog. All hail Tunch, the mighty kitteh!

  62. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:32 pm · Link

    @freelancer: Snap.

  63. Incoherent Dennis SGMM - March 30, 2011 | 4:33 pm · Link

    Troll, troll, troll your boat,
    Gently down the stream…

  64. scav - March 30, 2011 | 4:35 pm · Link

    “And the Caissons go Trolling along”. although I swear I started somehow with the traditional Klip-Klop, Klip-Klop of goats over a bridge, segued into “I’m a Troll fol-de-rol, I’m a Troll fol-de-rol, I’m a Troll fol-de-rol and I’ll eat you for supper”. Must be air-borne: I haven’t ingested anything in this thread.

  65. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:35 pm · Link

    Post-trollmatic stress disorder.

  66. eemom - March 30, 2011 | 4:36 pm · Link

    No Blog For Old Trolls

  67. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:38 pm · Link

    Mama trolled me not to come.

  68. freelancer - March 30, 2011 | 4:39 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    No Balloon Juice. No Trolls. Know Balloon Juice! Know Trolls!

  69. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:40 pm · Link

    69 posts. We’ve got a trollathlon here.

    Or, as people who annoy me say, a trollath-a-lon.

  70. AAA Bonds - March 30, 2011 | 4:40 pm · Link

    In the latest gambit out of Washington’s head-spinning budget debate, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced Wednesday that if the Senate fails to act by next week, Republicans will proffer a bill forcing an earlier House GOP plan that did not pass Congress to become the “law of the land.” The proposal outlined Wednesday would be an unusual and likely unconstitutional move.

    Fox News front page right now.

    Repeat: the Congressional Republicans just LOST Fox News.

  71. Incoherent Dennis SGMM - March 30, 2011 | 4:41 pm · Link

    @shortstop:
    Okay, I wish that I’d thought of that one.

  72. scav - March 30, 2011 | 4:41 pm · Link

    It’s only Rock and Troll but I like it!

  73. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:44 pm · Link

    Nobody knows the trollage I’ve seen.

  74. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:45 pm · Link

    Bind me, troll me, chain me to the wall.

  75. RSR - March 30, 2011 | 4:45 pm · Link

    shoot I think my commend got eated by moderation.

    do owly links do that? can’t think what else would garner attention

  76. gelfling545 - March 30, 2011 | 4:46 pm · Link

    @aimai: @freelancer: OK that is great.

  77. Studly Pantload, Vibrant Trollbot for Obama - March 30, 2011 | 4:46 pm · Link

    @FlipYrWhig:

    No, I’m Kirk—shot him!

  78. Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal - March 30, 2011 | 4:46 pm · Link

    dammit, i missed the a-list blog comment party of the mid-afternoon on wednesday…this is like that time, in college, i stayed in and studied one weekend, except in this case, no one got laid.

  79. Incoherent Dennis SGMM - March 30, 2011 | 4:47 pm · Link

    @AAA Bonds:
    Looks like the Republicans have caught Wisconsin fever. I’ve read the Constitution and its amendments a few times and for the life of me I can’t remember the words “Because we say so!” being a part of it.

  80. Sentient Puddle - March 30, 2011 | 4:47 pm · Link

    @AAA Bonds: Actually, Fox News did sort of temper their assessment. It isn’t “likely unconstitutional,” as they say. It’s the full-on WTF Cantor needs to watch some Schoolhouse Rock dumbassery kind of unconstitutional.

  81. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:49 pm · Link

    @Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal: Speak for yourself. There may have been some successful trolling going on in this thread, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

  82. RSR - March 30, 2011 | 4:52 pm · Link

    gonna try the quote again without the link

    Guess what this is about:

    “Make no mistake,” he said, “the final responsibility is ours — and we are warriors.”

    Lest his point be missed, Sen. Summerville added, “We will bend [it] to our awe, or break it all to pieces.”

  83. licensed to kill time - March 30, 2011 | 4:53 pm · Link

    I dreamed a dream in blogs gone by,
    When trolls were high and blogs, worth living.
    I dreamed that trolls would never die,
    I dreamed that Cole would be forgiving.
    Then I was young and unafraid,
    And trolls were made and used and wasted.
    There was no ransom to be paid,
    No troll unsung, no troll untasted.

  84. freelancer - March 30, 2011 | 4:53 pm · Link

    The Trolls were created by DougJ. They rebelled. They evolved. And they have a handle.

  85. Studly Pantload, Vibrant Trollbot for Obama - March 30, 2011 | 4:54 pm · Link

    Has Sadly, No! sullied the phrase “troll your own blog” by making it a euphemism, yet?

  86. cyntax - March 30, 2011 | 4:55 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    ::ashes his cigarette::

    I do indeed.

  87. scav - March 30, 2011 | 4:55 pm · Link

    @Sentient Puddle: Well, in all fairness, while they’ve established to their own satisfaction that “The Constitution isn’t a Suicide Pact”, no-one’s actually proven that it can be reliably distinguished from a Overtired Child’s Screaming Hissy-Fit (so long as it is the Correct Child it should go without saying).

  88. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 4:55 pm · Link

    why would raw.hide go into moderation?

  89. Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal - March 30, 2011 | 4:57 pm · Link

    @shortstop:
    to the song list, i submit, courtney love

    I am
    troll eyes
    troll mouth
    troll legs
    I am
    troll arms
    Big veins
    Dog bait

    Yeah, they really want you
    They really want you
    They really do
    Yeah, they really want you
    They really want you
    But I do too

    I want to be the girl with the most cake
    I love him so much it just turns to hate
    I fake it so real, I am beyond fake
    And someday, you will ache like I ache
    Someday, you will ache like I ache

  90. licensed to kill time - March 30, 2011 | 5:01 pm · Link

    @shortstop:

    why would raw.hide go into moderation?

    Cuz the filter automatically keeps them doggies rollin’ ?

  91. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 5:01 pm · Link

    You’ve got a blue-eyed troll/And if you don’t let it show/It’ll leave you; you won’t even know

  92. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 5:02 pm · Link

    @Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal: cake / hate / fake / ache could be pie / die / lie / sigh.

  93. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 5:02 pm · Link

    @licensed to kill time: Either that or my “Oh, Bondage!” reference put me on somebody’s no-fly list.

  94. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 5:03 pm · Link

    @shortstop: Chew-toy spambots?

  95. eemom - March 30, 2011 | 5:05 pm · Link

    This thread is taking its troll.

  96. gogol's wife - March 30, 2011 | 5:06 pm · Link

    @Citizen_X:

    That was unbelievable. What happened?

  97. shortstop - March 30, 2011 | 5:07 pm · Link

    I am looking at the pile of work I have not done while I was happily effing off in this thread. So long, troll well, auf wiedersehen, good night.

  98. justawriter - March 30, 2011 | 5:09 pm · Link

    It’s my bloggy
    and I’ll troll if I want to
    troll if I want to
    troll if I want to
    You would troll too if it happened to you

  99. licensed to kill time - March 30, 2011 | 5:10 pm · Link

    TROLL be not proud, though some have called thee
    Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not so

  100. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 5:11 pm · Link

    @Citizen_X: That ain’t right.

  101. 4jkb4ia - March 30, 2011 | 5:12 pm · Link

    “So into the forest we went. It was spooky in there.” Bruce stage-whispers in mock-terrified tones that wouldn’t frighten a three-year-old. “There were sounds comin’ from all over the place.” The audience picks up the cue and makes pseudospooky noises. “Sounded like werewolves.” From the audience, somewhat sinister snarls. “Sounded like homicidal cows.” The crowd obliges with massive mooing. “Sounded like mad dogs barkin’”. The fans approximate barking. “Sounded like THE COLE out there!” At the mention of this mythical creature from the Borisian wastes the West Virginia mountains, the crowd ditches all pretense and simply trolls its lungs out.

    (Deep apologies to Dave Marsh in Glory Days)
    (John really broke down and got the pie filter? I am dead.)

  102. Amir_Khalid - March 30, 2011 | 5:23 pm · Link

    @licensed to kill time: In my head, I heard that sung in Susan Boyle’s voice.

  103. bemused - March 30, 2011 | 5:24 pm · Link

    Let me guess…it’s the post with over 300 comments.

    Not gonna go there.

  104. FlipYrWhig - March 30, 2011 | 5:28 pm · Link

    Fish heads, fish heads, roly-trolly fish heads.

  105. licensed to kill time - March 30, 2011 | 5:30 pm · Link

    @Amir_Khalid: me, too :)

    @FlipYrWhig: eat them up, yum!

  106. WaterGirl - March 30, 2011 | 5:35 pm · Link

    @Comrade Mary: Go, Mary! :-)

  107. Bethanyanne - March 30, 2011 | 5:48 pm · Link

    @soonergrunt: Actually lol’d :)

  108. Opie-jeanne - March 30, 2011 | 6:08 pm · Link

    @Amir_Khalid: I heard Patty LuPone.

  109. Ruckus - March 30, 2011 | 6:30 pm · Link

    @scav:
    Isn’t that Rocky and Trollwinkle?

  110. freelancer - March 30, 2011 | 6:37 pm · Link

    Don’t ask about the Whitey Tape, or Cole will RickTroll you.

  111. 4jkb4ia - March 30, 2011 | 6:51 pm · Link

    Here I am, on the blog again,
    There I am, up on the stage,
    There I go, playing troll again,
    There I go, turn the page.

    Up there in the spotlight, you’re a million miles away
    Every ounce of trollery you try to give away
    As the angst pours from your fingers like the games that pols play

    Later in the evening as you lie awake in bed
    With the echoes from the commenters ringing in your head
    You drink the day’s last cup of tea, remembering what she said

    I really meant 100 to be silly, but it went against all my good resolutions.

  112. Elliecat - March 30, 2011 | 7:03 pm · Link

    Troll Over Beethoven.
    (Or Troll Over Vaughn Williams, if you prefer Richard Thompson).

  113. 4jkb4ia - March 30, 2011 | 7:18 pm · Link

    @Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal:

    I made a wish,
    I trolled it out loud
    Out loud in a crowd
    Everybody heard
    It was the talk of the town

  114. 4jkb4ia - March 30, 2011 | 7:20 pm · Link

    @Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal:

    I made a wish,
    I trolled it out loud
    Out loud in a crowd
    Everybody heard
    It was the talk of the town

  115. Bubblegum Tate - March 30, 2011 | 7:52 pm · Link

    Oh my god, this is too fucking great: Randroids attempt to win a cameo in Atlas Shrugged movie by making “I am John Galt” videos.

    DougJ, I expect you to participate.

  116. Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal - March 30, 2011 | 9:11 pm · Link

    @4jkb4ia:

    Color me your color, baby.
    Color me your car.
    Color me your color, darling.
    I know who you are.
    Come up off your color chart.
    I know where you’re coming from.
    troll me on the line.
    troll me, troll me any anytime.
    troll me, my love, you can troll me any day or night.
    troll me!

  117. Paul in KY - March 31, 2011 | 9:48 am · Link

    @soonergrunt: Don’t hate the Trolla, hate the game.

  118. Paul in KY - March 31, 2011 | 9:50 am · Link

    @Rommie: I would think it would be the Citrus Bowl or the Gator Bowl that would move up or maybe return the Cotton Bowl to BCSdom.


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