Camp Palin is trying to push pack on criticism of her map targeting Democrats with cross hair gun sites. Now her spokesgroupie is claiming that they were just harmless ‘Surveyor’s symbols’.
Of course one has to wonder why Palin herself celebrated them as her ‘bullseye’ icons in the wake of the November elections:
Giffords was one of only two Members targeted by Palin to escape defeat. Would it be so hard for this hellcat from grifterville to admit that she was wrong, apologize and promise to stop inciting hate?
Of course it is.
Basic human decency is and always will be beyond her emotional reach.
Palin is pathetic and should be reviled.
dengre
Hat tip to Dkos Diarist el fuego for a link to Palin’s tweet
Mark S.
Surveyor’s symbols? WTF?
And of course Snowbilly will never apologize. Don’t retreat, reload. Even if it’s just to shoot yourself in the foot again.
Xboxershorts
I read that revisionism on FARK. The apologists and revisionists have been out in force since last night.
They should get no quarter.
TBogg
Right wingers will only see “Palin” and “t’aint” and then their eyes will glaze over and they will be lost in their fantasies for the two or three minutes it takes to achieve Palingasm.
Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel)
Surveyor’s symbols? Are you fucking kidding me?
Let’s re-grade the roads of these congressional districts!
Oh yeah, now I remember that campaign slogan.
Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel)
@TBogg:
Confession: I saw taint too.
S. cerevisiae
An anonymous commenter over at Sadly, No! said it would be fun to see a cartoon of her as Lady Macbeth.
Any cartoonists in the house? Because that would be awesome.
Dave
Why won’t she apologize?
Because she’s a human piece of shit.
Xboxershorts
@TBogg:
Aw geeze…please don’t say Palin and taint in the same sentence. I already feel pretty rotten today, I don’t need THAT visual…
TR
@Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel):
Really? I saw a massive c*nt. And next to her picture, a tweet about something.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think it’s also relevant to point out that Palin’s laboriously crafted image as a gun-totin’, huntin’, fishin’ hellcat is a fraud. Sully, whatever his flaws, was great about posting the links to people pointing out that she doesn’t know how to handle a fly-rod, much less a gun. All this tough gal blather about targets and reloadin’, besides being puerile and obnoxious, comes from someone who doesn’t understand the serious respect that, from my limited experiece, most hunters and gun-enthusiasts have. It’s a concept of guns and ‘the Wild West’ formed by watching Gunsmoke and Bonanza.
PS
Would it be so hard for this hellcat from grifterville to admit that she was wrong, apologize and promise to stop inciting hate?
Yes.
This has been another edition of SA…
AAA Bonds
Wow, so a team of staff releasing multiple statements a day under your name ISN’T the best way to preserve your public integrity?
JCT
Apologize? WTF — not in her vocab, sorry. Frankly, none of these new-breed extremist Republicans *ever* apologize, even when given repeated opportunities.
It’s a feature, not a bug. Just ask Dick Cheney’s shooting victim.
But I am really laughing over the new-found description of those gun sight graphics.
Fucking pathetic.
russell
This should discredit Palin, but it won’t. Nor will she ever, ever, ever own any responsibility for any negative consequences of her actions or rhetoric.
She’ll put on the victim hat and claim she’s being persecuted.
She’s a despicable human being.
New Yorker
Why not just apologize? Are you kidding me? This is Sarah Palin we’re talking about. Everything is someone else’s fault. She’s always the victim. There is nothing else to this woman but bottomless narcissism and bottomless resentment.
I just hope this is the end for her. I had started to think her 15 minutes were up when the “intellectual” right began attacking her, and I’m sure this will be more of an excuse to distance themselves from her.
Cacti
By next week, Palin’s followers will believe Giffords was a Tea Party republican who was shot by a Mexican national for opposing illegal immigration.
JenJen
@russell:
Yes, and no. She certainly never owns any responsibility, nor does she have the capacity for self-reflection, but her act has already worn thin on the American people. Maybe this horrific event won’t hurt her in the eyes of her base, but it’s just another black mark against her in the eyes of the rest of the country, the sane part.
We’ll be rid of her constant presence in the public eye soon. Americans don’t much care for overexposed, talentless celebrities. I still have a little faith in this country.
asiangrrlMN
@Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel): I saw taint as well. Now, I must bleach out my brain and eyes.
She will not apologize because she can’t. It would ruin her whole image, and with her, image is everything.
I don’t watch Olbermann any more, but this moved me.
ETA: Betty’s excellent take over at Rumproast.
Ross Hershberger
She’s cratered and she’s still digging. Ant bets on her approval ratings staying above the teens in 2 months? I’ll take the under.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Cacti: I think it was ABC news last night that suggested that offered, as an example of Giffords’ courage, that she was “not afraid to take on President Obama”. The evidence of this was that she called on Obama to increase security at the AZ-Mexico border.
J
And if it is too hard for Sarah Palin to do the minimally decent thing, would it be too much to ask our media to stop treating the hateful lies and poisonous slanders that come from Palin and her ilk as all in good fun, as a source of ‘titillation’ (George Packer’s word), and to stop treating their authors as serious, well-meaning people, concerned in their own way with the good of the nation, rather than the incipient fascists they are?
sherifffruitfly
I’m getting tired of nambypamby “progressives” putting out all this crap about how “we have to counter this with LOVE” and similar donothingism crap like that.
Pro tip: The wifebeating husband won’t stop beating the wife if only she would love him more. Neither will teabaggers stop shooting Democrats and encouraging others to, if only we would love them more. The wifebeater ENJOYS beating his wife. The teabaggers WANT us dead. Literally. Most of them are just too cowardly to actually do it (in most circumstances).
And with the ginormous white shift to republican voting in the last election, to be blunt, we white folks need to admit that WE have a problem. Hell, we *are* the problem – just like that Rolling Stone article famously talked about last year. lols.
West of the Cascades
18 out of 20 by conventional electoral means, 1 of the remaining 2 by Second Amendment remedy. Sarah’s on a roll, hateful piece of filth that she is.
Xboxershorts
She enevr owned her rhetoric during the ’08 presidential campaign. Including numerous crowd incidents where violence against the president was intimated. Why should she back down now. There has never been a consequence for her. Until she is shunned by the media will she ever admit anything is wrong with the escalating rhetoric.
Ana Gama
Her guilty conscience is evidenced by the scrubbing of the maps. Period.
Villago Delenda Est
“Basic human decency” is not a Republican trait, nowadays.
In fact, it will get you labeled as a RINO or worse, a liberal.
The Dangerman
Apologize? Not when you are the presumptive Leader of what is effectively a cult (the Tea Party). In their view, she’s a quasi-Deity; infallible. Cult Leaders that admit to being wrong don’t stay Leaders in their cult very long.
Ross Hershberger
Jack Shafer in Slate:
So because Jack hasn’t gone on a rampage to date it’s okay for politicians to use violent imagery against their opponents.
What a twat.
lllphd
what we’re bound to witness now is the battle taken to another level; same players, same division, but now we’ll get to watch the rightwingnuts try to defend their right to spew the inflammatory rhetoric. how it’s perfectly harmless, and besides, they have the right to spew anything they like, it’s a free country.
interesting.
someone needs to ask mansour why they would bother with surveyors’ symbols; i mean, who would relate to that? and if they are surveyors’ symbols, why didn’t they stick to the surveying metaphor: “let’s take these districts back as the people’s property! let’s draw these property lines for the people!” whatever; you get the picture, also that trying to make the surveyor metaphor is kinda clunky. but far less inflammatory.
someone needs to ask mansour why palin insists on resorting to gun and violent rhetoric so much. in fact, someone needs to ask this of all those purveyors of violent rhetoric, beck and savage and limbaugh and coulter and the lot of them. someone needs to ask them what is their purpose in using the inflammatory language. what is, after all, the goal? what is it you hope to achieve by resorting to these images? will you say you don’t think about it? you don’t think about how what you say might have consequences?
interesting.
will you say it’s a free country and anyone can say anything they like? also interesting. then you won’t be the least bit bothered if i say on national tv that your mother is a whore and you f***ed your sister and your own daughter and that you should be strung up like a slaughtered pig for your evil crimes. i’ll hold rallies and ads and write books about your evil crimes and what should be done to you for them. oh, you say this might kinda bother you. you might file a libel suit because there are limits to saying whatever the hell you feel like saying about somebody?
hm. very interesting.
Cat Lady
And yet, she’ll still be taken seriously by Wolf Blitzer and Candy Crowley, who will have John McCain on to explain how he’s still so proud to have had Palin campaign with him. Howie Kurtz will nutpick a Daily Beast reader’s email to him which Tina Brown will use to tut tut about both sides with Joe Scar and Mika will nod her head, sadly of course, in agreement. They may make Uncle Pat take vacation – paid of course – for a couple of weeks until everything is about the Super Bowl.
MattF
Palin has shown over and over that her MO is the con and the grift. Her response, I predict, will be to leave town and lay low for a year or two.
russell
That would be fine with me, but I don’t expect it to play out that way.
I have faith in the country too, but not on that count.
If there is one thing Americans love, it is overexposed, talentless celebrities. The more scandalous, the better.
Xanthippas
Yes, a forced and meaningless apology for something that has nothing to do with the shooting is exactly what we need now.
Brick Oven Bill
Barry goes off teleprompter and tells us that he considers Americans with opposing political views ‘enemies’.
Sarah utilizes the symbol of a ‘sighting mechanism’.
This dollar bill from my pocket contains images of ‘arrows’.
We will now analyze and rank the hate.
curious
perhaps she could think about returning all the donations that that irresponsible target graphic generated for sarahpac.
asiangrrlMN
@J: Agreed. However, I am not holding my breath. The media is ALL about clicks and ratings and whatnot. It’s certainly not about reporting actual news.
harlana
The tragic irony here is that, in response to all this scrutiny, Palin is just going to play to victim card again.
And Another Thing...
If you read Palin’s Facebook “condolences” post yesterday, it was the absolute minimum statement. The smart statement would include some kind of comment renouncing violence…oh wait… Never mind.
Villago Delenda Est
@Ana Gama:
Oh, I don’t think a “guilty conscience” has anything to do with the scrubbing of the maps. Bad PR, yes. Guilty conscience? This pathological lying grifter has none.
stuckinred
@Brick Oven Bill: just go fuck yourself you punk ass motherfucker
quaint irene
Really. Why not just say they’re icons showing ‘Here Be Dragons.’
gbear
@Cat Lady:
The Superbowl is [without meaning or interest] to me.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Xanthippas: No, she needs to apologize for the rhetoric she spews, whether or not it is connected to the shooting. The fact that these people are trying to rewrite history means that know that what they have been doing can cause harm. It’s time to act like an adult and do the responsible thing.
Ross Hershberger
@Thick as a Brick Bill:
Your unwillingness to see what’s right in front of you is duly noted.
Now please run along.
Pongo
The only way this sort of vile, irresponsible speech will stop is if we all agree, including the stenographers in the media, to not engage in it ourselves and to marginalize those who participate in it–right, left, independent, whatever. So far that hasn’t happened and commentary about this event indicates that not even six deaths are enough to get people to recognize that speech has consequences.
I am so sick of hearing ‘this was the act of a lone crazy person’ as justification to say whatever the hell you want while accepting no responsibility for it. Of course it was the act of a lone crazy person. That’s exactly the point. The reason responsible citizens don’t engage in hate-baiting is because there are plenty of lone crazy people in this country and they have easy access to guns. Far from exonerating us for the consequences of our speech, those realities should make us more aware of what we say and how it might be taken.
russell
My prediction, FWIW, is that she will be front and center with indignant denials that her cross-hair map had anything whatsoever to do with the shooting.
TV and radio face time is her crack cocaine. The Giffords shooting is a lucky freaking penny for Palin. No way she’s going to step down from an opportunity to blame everybody else for picking on her.
We’ve already had a statement from her “team”. Look for the lady herself to be all over the airwaves starting today. She just needs a few hours to craft her story.
BGinCHI
@stuckinred: He t’ain’t worth it, stuck.
Don’t waste your blood pressure on him.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Brick Oven Bill: Can you give me the quote please from Obama. I’m sure Barry Switzer may have said something like that, but I would really like to know what the president said.
Brick Oven Bill
First, we consider the dollar bill, and its ‘arrows’. The arrows are in the grasp of a flying eagle and thus contain potential energy, or the energy of elevation and gravity. The feathers at the back of the arrow guide the ‘arrow-head’ to a point selected by the targeter, emblematically represented by the eagle.
Analysis:
Pro-hate: There is only one purpose of an arrow, which is to tear flesh.
Anti-hate: A specific target is not specified.
The Dangerman
@And Another Thing…:
My reaction as well; it was as dry as the Arizona desert.
I doubt she can decry the violence given that the anger that may or may not have driven that violence is the reason she’s still cashing checks from her books.
Chyron HR
Ha ha, how dare those Democrats suggest that Republicans are their enemies! No wonder Republicans have to go around shooting Democrats in the head.
stuckinred
@BGinCHI: My blood pressure is low but thanks. Looks like the connection with another person may be wrong according to Mueller.
Dennis G.
@Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel):
Already some wingnuts are trying to prove that her ‘bullseye’ icons are common ‘surveyor symbols’ by cutting and pasting her icons onto an image with the words ‘surveyor symbols’ on it.
A quick use of the Google (here, here, here, here or here) does not find any ‘surveyor sysmbols’ that look anything like Palin’s bullseyes.
There was one site that had a slightly similar symbol that is used to indicate a tree that has been removed.
The entire ‘surveyor symbol’ dodge is weak bullshit even from masters of bullshit like team Palin.
Jules
I have no idea why she just won’t apologize.
She’s making a huge mistake….
I wrote this yesterday on my blog:
Dear Sarah step up, be an adult and please take a bit of personal responsibility for your part in how crazy things have gotten. It does not matter why. What matters is that what you said could have resulted in a shooting. As a public figure you have a responsibility for the tone of the conversations. In an effort to tone down the rhetoric you might want to apologize for the targets and vow to never use gun/violent language when it comes to political rivals.
Or make maps.
Maps seem to get you in trouble.
There should be no place in our society for that type of talk.
and I’ll begin by apologizing for anything I might have said in the past.
Now it is your turn Sarah.
Dave
@Brick Oven Bill: Jesus H. Christ, but you are a fucking idiot.
sukabi
@russell: otherwise there wouldn’t be the constant onslaught of vulgar “reality” shows and the faux celebrities they spawn, that show up on each other’s shows and in the next season are “featured” on Dancing with the Stars — as the “Stars”… ugh!!! and get breathlessly followed in the “News” every time they fart, abuse drugs / alcohol and end up in rehab. America has become one big episode of Jerry Springer.
AxelFoley
Will someone rid me of this meddlesome grift–
Oops, don’t wanna get Balloon Juice in trouble with the NYT and the rest of our “responsible” media.
gbear
@russell: My guess is she’ll leave town but she won’t lay low as long as she can phone it in. She will never make another book tour again. She probably won’t appear in public again either. She’s just sending signals from space (LOTS of them) from here on out.
jeff
One unpleasant truth that I re-discovered this morning is the ease with which extremists and neo-Nazis like Peter Bremelow, Steve Sailer, Pat Buchanan, Philippe Rushton, etc can work for a White Power movement in the morning and edit NAtional Review in the evening. And–in Buchanan’s case–co-host the nightly news on national TV.
(I’m a science/philosophy nerd, so my list of white supremacist activists in the media may be a little weird.)
JCT
Speaking of bravery and apologies — no, not the grifter-quitter.
Steve Benen has a remarkable piece where he quotes (are you ready) an ANONYMOUS Republican Senator where he says basically what many of us have been saying about toning down the rhetoric.
Mind you, he/she is too much of a coward to say these simple truths publicly. Funny. I wonder who he/she is afraid of? Liberals, leftists? Or being setup for a Tea Party takedown (primary).
My guess is the latter — how pathetic can you get? And how emblematic of the problem…
Dennis G.
@quaint irene:
That got a chuckle. Thanks
gpleigh
From Palin’s Facebook page:
“To the teams that desire making it this far next year: Gear up! In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.
Focus on the goal and fight for it. If the gate is closed, go over the fence. If the fence is too high, pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, parachute in. If the other side tries to push back, your attitude should be “go for it.” Get in their faces and argue with them. (Sound familiar?!) Every possession is a battle; you’ll only win the war if you’ve picked your battles wisely. No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!”
[ugh, blockquotes not working]
I don’t know how you can read that and not see excessive and extreme violent imagery and suggestion is just plain stupid or lying.
TR
@Brick Oven Bill:
You want to rank the hate? Put this at the top of your list:
Fuck you, you vile piece of shit. Gabby Giffords is a friend of mine, and your fucking political leaders put her in their gun sights — she had a gun found at one rally last year, her campaign office was vandalized, and now she’s been shot in the back of the head by someone you want to excuse away.
Fuck yourself. Repeatedly. And then look forward to burning in hell for eternity, you vile fucking sack of shit.
West of the Cascades
@Dennis G.: Teh Google 5, Team Palin 0
jk
“Why not just apologize”
Because Sarah Palin does not do contrition. Maybe this is the character trait that attracted John McCain to her in the first place. Maybe a light bulb went off in McCain’s head when he realized that Palin was just as stubborn and pigheaded as he was. Palin comes across as a person who has never issued an apology or acknowledged a mistake in her life. She’s an obnoxious airhead and damn proud of it.
Palin should be reviled, but won’t be because Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, and the other tools in the MSM are addicted to her hockey mom, moose hunting persona. They treat her idiotic, dishonest tweets and Facebook posts as if they were Papal Encyclicals or doctoral dissertations. Palin is the Empress with no clothes, except for the $150,000 wardrobe she bought during the 2008 campaign, and everyone in the MSM is too fucking gutless to hold her accountable for her rhetoric and her behavior.
licensed to kill time
Being Sarah(c) means never havin’ to say you’re sorry.
(apologies to Love Story)
Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel)
@Dennis G.:
So it’s a pretend surveyor’s symbol? Priceless.
JPL
Palin would help herself by shutting her aides mouth. Fox might let her sell her bullshit but she left a trail of tweets that can’t be covered up.
gbear
@gpleigh: Jezus effing Christ.
Moses2317
I’ve wondered the same thing. For example, Palin’s statement on her Facebook page simply offering her “sincere condolences” and prayers is one of the lamest things I’ve seen. She offered no criticism of the killings or the killer, no statement about how violence is unacceptable in our political system, and no apology for having “targeted” Rep. Giffords. Truly a disgusting showing, and also inexplicable from a political perspective.
Winning Progressive
kdaug
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The most “extreme” environmentalists I’ve ever met have been hunters and fishermen.
sukabi
@jk: they can’t…. birds of a feather and all that.
Brick Oven Bill
Second, we consider Sarah’s ‘targeting mechanism’. Targeting mechanisms are used to direct many types of energy; four examples are hereby provided:
1. That damn thing the dental assistant makes you bite down on just before she zaps your head with radiation.
2. A rifle scope to accurately direct the energy contained within gunpowder.
3. That thing that I use thousands of times per day to optimize my placement of self-sensation devices for efficient distribution to people who are waiting for their things to show up at their homes. In practice, what I send is love.
4. A political goal to efficiently organize the energy of a community.
Analysis:
Pro-hate: A specific target is identified by Sarah.
Anti-hate: There are many uses for a targeting mechanism, and in this case the only energy unleashed was that of an electorate, in a democracy. Some would argue that this is healthy.
Davis X. Machina
All you milquetoast moderates need to get on the ball and sign the petition to have the feds indict Palin. For something.
Because Brandenberg v. Ohio isn’t good law when you’re really, really angry, the first Amendment doesn’t cover prominent Republicans, and the DOJ chooses its prosecution targets on the basis of internet polls and petitions.
Walt Whitman was right: “I no doubt deserve my enemies, but I don’t believe I deserve my friends.”
asiangrrlMN
@Xanthippas: You know, I agree with you. I don’t want her to apologize if she doesn’t feel any remorse (I hate the forced apology thing). I just wish she would be shunned by society and media for her vituperative behavior–but I’m not holding my breath.
@jk: She’s ratings gold (or she was. Not so sure from now on). They will strenuously keep her denuded if it makes them monies. They are culpable in their greed. Bastards.
TR
@Brick Oven Bill:
Some would argue that you should go fuck yourself.
You’re a vile piece of shit. A miserable excuse for a human being. No wonder you’re a fucking right-winger. You’re dead inside.
chopper
why would she apologize? she’s a member of the ‘party of personal responsibility’.
jk
@Moses2317:
Paul Krugman: “I see that Sarah Palin has called the shooting “tragic”. OK, a bit of history: right-wingers went wild over anyone who called 9/11 a tragedy, insisting that it wasn’t a tragedy, it was an atrocity.”
bemused
@Moses2317:
Palin’s “sincere condolences” and Bachman “my tears are overflowing” leave me decidedly unmoved and unconvinced.
Judas Escargot
@Dave:
She could at least have fucking posted the obligatory, boilerplate “no matter what your political persuasion, violence is never the answer, folks” post like Boehner and every other sane Republican did within minutes of the shooting.
But of course, no. Also, too.
cleek
@Pongo:
hell, not even 168 was enough.
humans are hugely tolerant of violent rhetoric.
Omnes Omnibus
@Davis X. Machina:Sarah Palin has every right to say what the fuck ever she wants. I fully and completely support that. I , however, have the right to judge her on the contents of her statements. In this case, she has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
Karen
The fact that Sarah Palin & Co. are being so defensive shows that while she feels no responsibility, public opinion might be saying otherwise. She is getting pressure from somewhere.
Just Some Fuckhead
@gpleigh: All harmless surveying lingo..
Omnes Omnibus
@Just Some Fuckhead: Excuse me while I reload my theodolite.
jk
@asiangrrlMN:
“I just wish she would be shunned by society and media for her vituperative behavior—but I’m not holding my breath.”
Happy He Said / She Said False Equivalency Sunday to you. I share your sentiments, but pigs will grow wings before Palin is ever shunned by the MSM.
Several weeks ago, Anderson Cooper asked his guests what it was about Sarah Palin that made liberals’ heads explode. I couldn’t believe how fucking stupid Cooper was that he had to ask this idiotic question.
Brick Oven Bill
And lastly, we view Barry’s consideration of Americans of differing political beliefs as ‘enemies’. We now list human relations from good to bad:
1. BFF.
2. Buddy.
3. Acquaintance.
4. Person on the street.
5. Jerk.
6. Opponent.
7. Ass-hole.
8. Adversary.
9. Worthless piece of shit.
10. Enemy.
Analysis:
Pro-hate: Barry seems to have a deep-seated animus towards the around two-thirds of Americans who do not share his political ideology.
Anti-hate: A specific method of energy transmittal is not specified.
Davis X. Machina
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, and I concur — but these ignoramuses are just making the rest of the team look bad.
Cacti
Every teabagger pol who is now “praying” for Congresswoman Giffords can go suck a bible.
Phoebe
@Ana Gama:
That was the most charitable conclusion a person could draw from the scrubbing of the maps. But this + the logically inconsistent “surveyor’s symbols” garbage = nothing other than a panicky ignorant desire to avoid blame. She actually must have thought the scrubbing would make it go away. And when it didn’t, the gun sights were relabeled surveyor’s symbols.
This is far stupider than even the classic example of undermining follow-ups: “It wasn’t me, and anyway, it was consensual.”
Judas Escargot
@Mark S.:
Imagine this picture: Sarah Palin’s face with a “surveyor’s symbol” (exact same one from the infamous map) stamped over her face. Caption below reads “TARGET VIOLENT RHETORIC: ZERO TOLERANCE.” Few thousand citizens put this picture up on their Facebook pages.
Wonder how they’d respond to that?
JPL
It’s wrong to just focus on Sarah. Tomorrow talk show hosts will lead with the fact that the left is going to try to stifle free speech and blame the right for a left wing shooter. They will demand to be able to scream fire in a movie theater and then say the left made us do it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Davis X. Machina: When people speak of there should be consequences to her (Palin’s) speech, I have presumed they meant shunning, disapproval, and disgust. Legal action is uncalled for.
Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel)
@Omnes Omnibus:
This is the worst Jimi Hendrix cover band I’ve ever seen.
SiubhanDuinne
1. Gabby Giffords was one of only two candidates targeted for defeat by Palin? I haven’t googled around yet to find out the name of the other one, but if I were that member of Congress I woiuld be taking extra, major, immediate security precautuons right now.
2. Harmless surveyors’ symbols? Give me a fucking break. If those icons are so harmless, why the panicky scrubbing of the map from Sarah’s website?
@TR: Have been thinking about you so much since yesterday. If so many people who live thousands of miles from Tucson, most of whom probably didn’t even know Giffords’ name until yesterday, can be so horrified and grief-stricken — I just can’t imagine what these hours have been like for people like you, and Dallas Green, and everyone else who’s been personally touched by this horror. Continued {{hugs}} to you.
Brick Oven Bill
The ‘arrow’, Sarah’s ‘targeting mechanism’, and Barry’s ‘enemy’ statement are thus ranked:
Most hateful: Barry enemy statement.
Middle hateful: The dollar bill.
Least hateful: Sarah’s political symbol.
LikeableInMyOwnWay
They were scope crosshairs, but now they will lie and call them surveying scope crosshairs.
The lie is told to provide cover for their base of idiots. Now the idiots have a cover story that they can tell each other. The people at the top of this little heap of hillbillies don’t care what the rest of us think. The got their mileage out of the crosshairs, and now it is time to paint them over into something safer. So, they are survey scope crosshairs now.
If these people were interested in the truth of things, they’d be Democrats.
Okay, just kidding.
PaulW
When Palin’s defenders went with the “surveyor symbol” explanation for the Target Dems poster, it was clearly a desperate excuse by a guilty liar.
You know how, when you get home and the cookie jar is smashed on the kitchen floor and your seven-year-old (with chocolate stains on the corner of his lips) is standing there saying there was an earthquake that caused it? Yeah. That’s where the Palinites and Teabaggers are right now, desperately pointing to everything and everyone else. Anything to avoid accountability for the toxic atmosphere that they’ve spewed the last 3 years.
This was coming. I can’t say how many others knew something like this was coming. All this “rise up in arms” and “reload” and “second amendment remedy” talk that we had leading up to Oklahoma City back in the 1990s. All this “the liberals are destroying America” fearmongering creating this environment where the unhinged go storming about with firearms and twitchy fingers. And now we’ve got bodies on the ground and blood in the streets and the ones who spent their careers spewing hate and fear are now oh so eager to point the blame elsewhere.
TR
@Brick Oven Bill:
And you rank somewhere in the 30s, I’d imagine.
Go fuck yourself. No one else ever has, I’m sure.
sukabi
@Brick Oven Bill: Sarah’s “targeting mechanism” in her own words was a BULLSEYE, nothing else a BULLSEYE. The thing hunters use to sight in their prey prior to killing it.
TR
@Brick Oven Bill:
Can we get this asshole banned, please?
licensed to kill time
BoB’s brown acid babblings be bad today.
Cacti
@Judas Escargot:
Or the “surveyor’s symbol” over sarah’s mug with a caption of “Don’t retreat – reload!” or “Exercise your second amendment remedies”.
Mark S.
David Frum has figured it out: Pot is to blame!
The Dangerman
@TR:
Seconded.
asiangrrlMN
@jk: You got it. That video of Rep. Giffords talking about the extremism and getting chastised for mentioning it by Chuck Todd is really all anyone needs to watch to grasp what is going on in our political discourse these days.
@TR: I’m so sorry. My deepest condolences to you. I can’t imagine what you’re going through.
@JPL: Yeah, that’s my main beef–the damn media not calling out the shit when they see it.
Elizabelle
@PaulW:
The question now is if the American public, and American voters, particularly, are going to say “enough” and demand better conduct, or if we are a nation of good Germans.
(Apologies to the German people there. As Dengre has capably described, the Germans have dealt more honestly and effectively with the violent stains of their past than the United States has turned back its Confederate seccessionists.)
Cacti
@sukabi:
Although if it’s Sarah, it takes 5 shots, two different rifles, and her father has to do the “reloading”.
Meanderthal
Oh, well, isn’t this fantastic. According to Hillbuzz (and my stomach turns at reading anything from them), noted “leftist” and “Democrat” Fred Phelps and his “Democratic hate group” are planning on picketing the 9-year-old’s funeral.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/09/brace-yourselves-democrat-fred-phelps-and-westboro-hate-group-announce-plans-to-picket-9-year-old-shooting-victim-christina-greenes-funeral-a-new-low-for-democrat-hate-groups/
(Jesus, that’s a long URL. Par for the course for those microencephalitic morons, I suppose.)
Fuck it. I’m moving to New Zealand.
LikeableInMyOwnWay
@TR:
Things might go better here if a temporary embargo on Bill’s posts were imposed. Not a ban exactly. More like a redirection. Bill will understand, it’s just a bending of words that makes life go down a little easier. Just that little spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down.
We’ll keep your posts on file, Bill. Honest. We just won’t read them right now, I am sure you understand.
Davis X. Machina
@Omnes Omnibus: There wasn’t a place for that woman in respectable public discourse before any of this; unfortunately our sphere of respectable public discourse fits in a phone booth, and still leaves room for a buffet.
If you need a (very sardonic) laugh, or just want to see where the progressive id is at, there’s a host of ‘execution first — then trial’ First Amendment jurisprudence going on over at DemocraticUnderground.com.
Allan
The phrase that keeps turning in my mind is “depraved indifference.”
Sarah Palin’s use of gun imagery in political rhetoric demonstrated a depraved indifference to the consequences, which include a child about the same age as her daughter Willow dead of a gunshot wound to the chest.
The Depraved Indifference of Sarah Palin.
There’s your meme.
Run with it.
sukabi
@Cacti: never said she was competent, don’t think ANYONE with half a functioning brain would go there.
Just Some Fuckhead
@PaulW:
This is the part I don’t get. I don’t understand why they aren’t out there celebrating these killings and demanding more.
SiubhanDuinne
I see I accidentally omitted a couple of key words. Let’s try that paragraph again:
The Populist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Amen, she’s all about making money by selling her brand. She’s basically Beck with a dress. Push the paranoia to 11 and make it look as if you care about all those hillbillies that foolishly follow her as if she’s America’s savior.
jk
@Mark S.:
David Frum aka Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau
JPL
TR is right. Now is not the time for b.o.b’s rants. There are many sites where he can spew his hatred with like minded assholes. A few day boycott might be nice.
TR please take care. The sadness in the Tuscon community must be overwhelming.
Allan
@Meanderthal: Joe.My.God. has the Phelps press release as well, so you don’t have to reward the Dateless Combover Hobbit, aka Harvey Bilk (h/t Mrs. Polly at RumpRoast) with linkies.
kdaug
@Brick Oven Bill: I’m actually shocked, but now that I have seen your points, the compelling way you’ve laid out your arguments, and in closely following your logic, I believe you’ve actually convinced me: You’re an asshole.
Cacti
@Just Some Fuckhead:
As Pete Townshend so presciently wrote:
We’ll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
Meanderthal
@Allan: I don’t know what I was thinking, actually creating the link. Too angry to think straight, I suppose…
asiangrrlMN
@Allan: Thank you. I was trying to find a phrase to fit, and you just did. I, for one, am stealing the meme and spreading it liberally.
The Populist
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Because they are fearful creeps who, wrongfully, think that it can happen to them. Problem is, I don’t know a liberal in the world that would do this to a rightwinger.
The rhetoric of Maddow, Olbermann, Schultz, etc may be forceful but it isn’t making people fearful based on lies and manipulation. Leftie broadcasters tend to sell their points on facts that can be backed up. I see righties and all they do is sell fear and paranoia and try to sell it as fact. THAT is the problem.
sven
The headline over at Slate right now is:
In Defense of Inflamed Rhetoric: The awesome stupidity of the calls to tamp down political speech in the wake of the Giffords shooting.
Hippy-punching is just like duct tape, there is no problem it cannot solve.
The Populist
@Allan:
She will never, ever see it that way. She is so fucking DIMWITTED that she can’t understand why the use of gunsights as a way to make a point to defeat political enemies would ever be taken to an extreme by a whacked follower.
She has a fucking responsibility to keep it civil. If she can’t sell her points without using extreme rhetoric, she should just STFU.
arguingwithsignposts
BoB has been banned before. it does nothing.
The Populist
@Brick Oven Bill:
I get it, you like to troll. Go away tard.
Xboxershorts
@Brick Oven Bill:
You’re a fucking lying piece of heartless dogshit.
You know God Damned well that comment from your president is being taken wildly out of context and was, in fact, delivered as a 3rd party descriptor.
You lying fucking asshole, go fuck yourself.
JPL
@The Populist: You forgot bigotry.
BGinCHI
@Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel): FTW!
Cacti
@sven:
That might be the best false equivalence yet.
Condeming the use of violent imagery, suggestions of violence against political opponents = calls to tamp down political speech.
There’s nothing so odious that it won’t hide behind the skirt of the first amendment when it gets rightfully criticized.
The Populist
@Brick Oven Bill:
Hey idiot, 2/3 don’t hate him. I’d say under half disagree. Get it right or show me where you get your facts.
The Populist
@JPL:
Good point, thanks.
jk
@Allan:
That meme sums it up well.
Plus, the Unbearable Gutlessness of the MSM to deviate from its cowardly he said/she said false equivalency narrative.
Zuzu's Petals
Well and let’s not forget Erick Erikson’s classic:
What drove him to this level of outrage? A ban on phosphates in dishwasher detergents. Yes, really.
The comments are even scarier, if possible.
eemom
oh shit.
This piece by Sully
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/on-extreme-right-and-left.html
I…….like it.
Meanderthal
@Cacti: Has Jack Shafer ever written anything worth reading? What an unbelievable asshole.
Cacti
I look forward to Slate’s companion piece to their current obnoxious tripe:
“In defense of crazy people with guns.”
West of the Cascades
The right is scared nearly witless by the proximity of the returning chickens to the roost. Also this little tidbit from a NY Times blog with more quotes from that Shafer Slate article and a spectacular rebuttal at bottom from the DNC:
Jack Shafer, writing in Slate, agrees with Mr. Erickson that the political rhetoric is not to blame.
He writes: “For as long as I’ve been alive, crosshairs and bull’s-eyes have been an accepted part of the graphical lexicon when it comes to political debates. Such “inflammatory” words as targeting, attacking, destroying, blasting, crushing, burying, knee-capping, and others have similarly guided political thought and action. Not once have the use of these images or words tempted me or anybody else I know to kill. I’ve listened to, read-and even written!-vicious attacks on government without reaching for my gun. I’ve even gotten angry, for goodness’ sake, without coming close to assassinating a politician or a judge.”
“From what I can tell, I’m not an outlier,” Mr. Shafer adds. “Only the tiniest handful of people-most of whom are already behind bars, in psychiatric institutions, or on psycho-meds-can be driven to kill by political whispers or shouts. Asking us to forever hold our tongues lest we awake their deeper demons infantilizes and neuters us and makes politicians no safer.”
Those arguments anger those on the left. In a Twitter message, Brad Woodhouse, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, called Shafer’s article “nonsensical crap.”
cleek
i love the “surveyor’s symbols” thing. it shows that she thinks the country is completely fucking stupid.
sadly, her success so far is proof that she may just be right.
maya
@Davis X. Machina: I would settle for Ms. Palin & her confederates to be placed on Homeland Security terrorist watch lists and TSA no fly lists. That is all.
eemom
@arguingwithsignposts:
which is kind of weird, when you think about it.
Dennis G.
@kdaug:
Well said
Just Some Fuckhead
@Cacti:
“Assassination, Recall by Other Means”
Davis X. Machina
For every BoB there is a pie, thanks to cleek.
Greasemonkey (or the Tampermonkey extension for Chrome) and a good pie filter.
Two great tastes that taste great together.
It’s the libertarian way to ban — individual free choice and not the heavy coercive hand of the
statemodsasiangrrlMN
@West of the Cascades: Well, if Shafer feels he’s being neutered because he cannot call on killing a political foe and have it be considered a legitimate form of opposition, then he is an even shittier writer than that excerpt implies–and that’s saying a lot.
Oh, and that bullshit “crosshairs have been acceptable”–prove it. Put up or shut up, asshole.
@Judas Escargot: Exactly. That was my immediate thought as well. Let some lefty do to Sarah Palin what she’s done to Democrats, and we would see some furious indignation from the right.
JPL
@West of the Cascades: Yup.. The left wants to limit my free speech rights. Why can’t we allow these assholes to scream fire in a movie theater?”
Edit..by the way was the murderer a “real american?
stuckinred
I don’t know if this event ever had a chance to be meaningful in terms of changing even one mind but, if it did, it is done for now. It’s politics as usual.
Cacti
@West of the Cascades:
Biggest crap line of the piece.
Well, nobody Jack Shafer knows has killed anyone, so that settles it.
What a pompous jackhole.
PIGL
@The Dangerman: or at least disemvoweled?
Cacti
Exercise your “second amendment remedies” against Jack Shafer.
Well, that didn’t cause anybody I know to kill him. First Amendment wins! Woohoo!
When do I get my job at Slate?
Zuzu's Petals
@gpleigh:
Aside from the violent imagery, the lack of self-awareness is astounding.
I mean for a woman whose platform was handed to her to rant about determination in the face of hardship is just rich.
Joey Maloney
@Pongo:
I’m sick of this turn-the-other-cheek weak sauce bullshit. People who engage in this behavior need to be confronted, shamed, ostracized, shouted down, and turned into pariahs.
Cacti
@Joey Maloney:
+1
Strong social censure against people who engage in violent rhetoric and those who give them a platform to do it is the remedy.
JPL
@West of the Cascades: If you are here you should copy and paste your comment for Kay’s thread upstairs. She’s talking about hate speech leading to threats.
BGinCHI
@Cacti:
Overqualified.
West of the Cascades
@asiangrrlMN: Shafer has nothing but his rants for proof – he’s objectively wrong but thinks in the current media environment he can get away with it since he and his ilk repeatedly have. I think the guy who quickly responded that it was “nonsensical crap” wins the day, because that’s the extent of response it deserves.
Speaking of which, when is one of the Democratic Party talking heads they put on the Sunday morning shows across from Jon Kyl going to have the balls to use those same words or something similar? They’d be a good response to Kyl chiding Sheriff Dupnik for telling the truth about Arizona.
asiangrrlMN
@West of the Cascades: Yep. I hear you. It’s puff and smoke. And, I hope Dems DO start pushing back, on the bobblehead shows AND in debate in the House and Senate. Let’s call the fools out loudly, consistently, and forcefully.
trollhattan
@Brick Oven Bill:
Any thoughts on slavery whilst you’re busy digging that hole of enlightenment?
mapaghimagsik
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Couple ways to look at it, I guess.There’s probably more.
1) Well, the big con of using violence gets the money donations, but we sure don’t want to get in trouble when actually someone stops sending money and really does what we say
2) Distance. Wait. Repeat. The message has been sent by killing one, so lets see what happens. I wouldn’t be surprised in the future if someone points out “If they only listened to the will of the American People, this tragedy would have never occurred”.
Villago Delenda Est
Prediction:
When someone with a gun takes out Erick Erickson, Jack Shafer, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, or Neil Cavuto, THEN it will be a problem.
Not a nanosecond before.
Wordsmith
Brick oven Bob made this statement – above, somewhere: “Pro-hate: Barry seems to have a deep-seated animus towards the around two-thirds of Americans who do not share his political ideology.” (Presumably referring to President Obama.)
‘Two-thirds of Americans who do not share his political ideology?’
Then HOW THE FUCK did he get elected? I’m running for office then if one-third of the population can vote me in. Yep.
Wile E. Quixote
Why is BOB back? BOB needs to be banned, permanently. If we want to shut down this right wing rhetoric then we need to shut down apologists for it like BOB. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean that you have to give a forum to every hate filled moron in America. Please John, ban BOB forever. If BOB wants to spout his bullshit justifications for this shooting then let him get his own goddamned website.
Wile E. Quixote
@Zuzu’s Petals:
Yeah, Erickson’s a fucking psycho, remember how he wanted to pull a shotgun on the census workers for coming to his door and taking the census? I wonder if the reason for Erickson’s not joining the military isn’t because he’s a lazy, cowardly, chickenshit little punk but because he tried to join and was judged to be too goddamned crazy.
Mike Kay
palin is such an asshole. she didn’t win 18 of 20 because a number of the congressman/women either retired or ran for a different office. And she only picket the seats that were super red and rural. That’s one thing the blogosphere has never got – some congresscriters are blue-dog by nature, but most are blue-dog because they hold a district that is majority republican and full of low-information voters.
Omnes Omnibus
@Wordsmith: Don’t try to parse the words of B.O.B. That way lies madness.
Judas Escargot
@asiangrrlMN:
Let some lefty do to Sarah Palin what she’s done to Democrats, and we would see some furious indignation from the right.
I almost did, today, on my Facebook… but I suspect I’d somehow end up unemployed (which wouldn’t be fair to my dependents– unlike dear Sarah, I’m not independently wealthy).
Also don’t want to inadvertently give fuel to the ‘both sides do it’ bullshit.
Jason
@Judas Escargot: I’ve had that same problem on my FB.
The discussion there is going the same exact way. It’s almost like a genetic marker for political inclination: if you’re Republican, you’re going to wait for the facts! If you’re Democrat, you’re pissed off!
cleek
FYI, expect to hear more about the Dems’ bulls-eye map.
the difference, obviously, that the Palin’s map was scope sights ‘targeting’ individual reps, while the Dem’s map was bulls-eyes on states. it’s an important difference, but it’s one that will be ignored.
Mark Twang
So can we blame the insanity of the guy who tried to blow up the Discovery Channel on the radical ecologists he apparently read? Because I see more evidence of direct influence there than I do of Palin on the AZ shooter. In fact, I can’t see anything to indicate that Loughner even knew or cared about Tea Party ideology.
Palin is vile, but this connection seems a stretch.
de stijl
Maybe Gov. Palin had a theodolite bolted to her rifle instead of rifle scope.
It would explain her atrocious aim, but it doesn’t explain away the fact that she has no idea to use a bolt action hunting rifle.
Fake folksy, fake hunter, fake mama grizzly. Mama grizzlies run away all the time once the cubs are secure. But fake mama grizzlies have internalized the myth that mama grizzlies always attack, never back down, wear specs-appeal glasses and fuck-me pumps. And have absolutely no fucking idea how to aim and shoot a rifle.
Meanderthal
More linkage, this time to someone a little more simpatico, on the nature of cause versus context:
http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2011/01/09/on-the-shooting-of-gabrielle-giffords/
Villago Delenda Est
@de stijl:
That’s the thing about “hunter” Sarah Palin. She can’t relate her first hunt.
Every hunter I know (and living in western Oregon, there are many, to include my late father’s most bosom buddies) can relate, in loving and precise detail, the chronicle, nay, the epic story, of their first hunt. Not to mention the latest one, fresh in their memories.
She’s as phony as a three dollar Brick oven Bill.
Nellcote
@gpleigh:
Holy shit! They’re plagarizing from Nancy SMASH!
David
The right is calling them “surveyor marks” which makes sense since season two of Palin’s show “Sarah Palin’s Alaska” was no doubt going to focus on Palin’s interest in trigonometric surveying techniques.
stuckinred
A friend, who DG most likely knows, posted a thing on his FB about Palin and the map, here’s a response he got :
Waldo
Even a dunce like Palin understands that an apology or a promise to tone down the rhetoric would in this case be an admission of culpability. The political downside far outweighs any potential PR benefit — which is the only reason she’d even entertain the idea. She’s damned if she does, and damned if she doesn’t, and rightly so. Think about it. What could she possibly say? “Sorry if my ill-considered eliminationist rhetoric resulted in mass murder.”? That’s a nonstarter, and frankly, I don’t give a shit what she has to say now that the damage is done.
Not that it matters what she says. As far as her political career goes, you can stick a fork in her (figuratively speaking, of course). The best thing she can do is go, and go quietly.
Veritas78
We need to keep the focus on why semiautomatics are even manufactured. There is simply no need for anyone to have that massive and instant amount of destruction available.
Nellcote
@eemom:
Strangely his solution is for Prez Obama to give a speech rather than for gooper leaders to tell their bots to chill out.
Cain
@sherifffruitfly:
Who the fuck is saying that? I haven’t read a single comment that exhorts other to counter this with love. We’re not some kind of 60s hippies anymore. This sounds like some kind of throwback of what people used to believe liberals are like.
Fuck that shit.
cain
de stijl
@stuckinred:
As Stalin observed, “One dead person is a tragedy. Six dead people are sour grapes.”
stuckinred
@de stijl: I don’t know this person but I hit her FB page and looked at her pics. We are the same age and she and her friends at the class of 67 reunion looked like a fucking pod of whales. Not that there is anything wrong with being fat, ugly and stupid.
cmorenc
@JenJen:
Lindsay Lohan. Paris Hilton.
I rest my case.
TR
@stuckinred:
Show me someone who loves Sarah Palin and thinks her critics are just jealous of her pretty smile, and I’ll show you a toothless, brain-addled meth head.
Tonal Crow
In the years I’ve been surveying the Republicans, I’ve found Crazy Corner, The Fox’s Henhouse, Anti-any-taxes-ever-ville, Hateside, Nukethemalltown, The Glibertarian Quarter, Denialton, and BeatBibleside.
And I’ve seen plenty of guns, gun racks, gun shops, gun shows, and (of course) gun nuts.
But I’ve *never* seen any Republican refer to a cross-hair icon as a “surveyor’s symbol[]”.
Republicans can see Russia from Palin’s house, but they can’t see the truth no matter how clear it is or how vigorously it is argued. Why is that, I wonder?
stuckinred
@TR: This is an Augusta, GA jesus freak, same same I guess.
Rathskeller
@TR: TR, I’m sorry to hear this.
B.O.B. has nothing to say worth hearing, ever. For you and everyone else on Balloon Juice, I highly recommend Cleek’s filters, which convert all of B.O.Bill’s comments into non-sequitur remarks about pie.
Jim, Once
@Rathskeller: @Brick Oven Bill:
If you read what Jared Lee posted on YouTube, you’ll see that young Loughner’s rants are eerily similar to BOB’s, especially in their incoherence.
jazzgurl
Apologise? How can you apologise for what your actions have shown over the last 3 years? And watch how she will disappear for the next few weeks and then come back out with the same stench of vitriol! Hey, she is who she is!
Mussenden
Guess words only have consequences when Trigg is maligned…this woman is a fuckin’ retard
Admiral_Komack
@sherifffruitfly:
One thing that has been bothering me over the past 24 hours:
the various rumors about the President (from “he’s not an American citizen”, “he’s weak”, “he’s uppity”, etc.) pushed by the media; they don’t have any proof, but they push it anyway.
Contrast it to this situation; a man involved in a brazen political assasination (oh, we don’t know if he’s a teabagger; we shouldn’t rush to judgement).
Dear TeaRepublicans,
You reap what you sow.
Sarah Palin’s PAC poster, the one with the bullseyes in the state of Arizona, among other states (surveyor’s symbol, my ass!). There’s also a listing of persons targeted; Ms. Giffords name, I believe, is the fourth name on the left side of the listing.
She got shot; it only takes ONE.
TEAREPUBLICANS, YOU OWN THIS!
dogwood
@jazzgurl: I doubt she will disappear at all. She only appears on Fox. They will give her a platform to further promote her victimhood. She might lay low until the funerals are over, but that’s about it.
Xboxershorts
@Mark Twang:
I tend to agree with you that the Palin map with targets is a bit of a stretch. But, with Palin, you have to take in the sum of the whole. She has spewed anti dem violent rhetoric since the day she was thrust onto the nation by zombie McCain.
Mind you, she did not start the rhetoric, it’d been going on for a decade or so. But she played a significant part in using that rhetoric to flame the anger in the GoP base and she hasn’t stopped.
Palin doesn’t need to apologize, she just needs to go back to Alaska.
And stay there. She’s just a brainless partisan hack without a single valid idea of her own spewing mindless rhetoric intended to inflame.
gpleigh
@Nellcote: Yes, indeed. It’s her snarky bitchy brand of politics, to say the least.
Nellcote
@David:
So that’s where Trig’s name came from!
Patt
Really, Sarah, when is it protocol for surveyors to ‘reload’ in stead of ‘retreat’?
Why must you continually choose to be a jerk?
Why must you continually insult the intelligence of Americans with your weak and stupid excuses? Ooops, I meant explanations. *gag*
Anonne
I hate to sully the great music of Nine Inch Nails, but whenever I see Sarah Palin, all I see is a “pretty hate machine.” Women like her, Megyn Kelly, Christine O’Donnell… beautiful on the outside but burnt, acrid dust on the inside.