Josh Marshall has an epic post on the Village mythology of Haley Barbour.
Let’s state it flat out. You have to be deeply, securely, and no doubt permanently encased in the DC cocoon ever to have thought that Haley Barbour was a serious presidential candidate. Really, people. Any number of things would have to change to make Barbour a remotely credible presidential candidate — starting with erasing the image of Boss Hogg from the cultural memory of every American over the age of 30. And that would probably be one of the easier tasks on the list.
[…..]With everyone in Washington knowing him, why shouldn’t he run for president? Everybody likes him. He’s had a successful career. He’s the governor of a state. So why not? What could go wrong?
[….]In his bearing, mannerisms, appearance, accent and style of politics Barbour embodies a lot people’s caricature of the unreconstructed, good-ole-boy South. And the confederate flag signed by Confederate President Jefferson Davis near his desk doesn’t help either. As Newsweek put it in a profile a year ago, “The cofounder of one of the nation’s largest lobbying firms may or may not be the Good Ole Boy Republican Fat Cat his liberal critics make him out to be, but he certainly looks the part.”
I like booze as much as the next person, but the idea that Haley Barbour would somehow become president by serving journalists Maker’s Mark is one of the strangest Village myths I have ever heard.
Xecky Gilchrist
the idea that Haley Barbour would somehow become president by serving journalists Maker’s Mark is one of the strangest Village myths I have ever heard.
It seems slightly classier than letting journalists play on a tire swing, but maybe that’s just me.
Carol
Let’s not forget he’s Governor of the poorest state of the Union, a state that hasn’t risen very far, racially divided, and not very modern. Hardly an effective springboard to national office.
Hunter Gathers
It just goes to show that Villagers can be bought off a bit less cheaply than your average politician. A few $10,000 checks can get you millions in tax breaks, and a few shots of liquor can get you the adulation of quite a few middle-aged, sexless losers who happen to write for the walking dead that we call newspapers.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
I don’t think it’s strange within the Village. As ridiculous as it is, they’ve always been big about the cocktail party circuit (see: her royal highness, Sally Quinn). If you throw good parties, they love you, as long as you’re not too liberal. If you don’t, you can be a blue-dog bipartisan like Clinton and they’ll hate you.
Cat Lady
Jeebus doesn’t love me enough to have Haley Barbour run against Barack Obama in 2012.
Evolved Deep Southerner
Well, the Obama presidency has set us back some 15-20 years in terms of how we look to the rest of the nation.
Haley Barbour could easily double that.
Not that it’s not deserved.
JCT
@Cat Lady: Holy cow, can you just imagine what would come out of the woodwork with that matchup?
Would be like something from “Lord of the Rings”.
Wonder how long it would take for a picture of Barbour in Klan regalia to surface…
General Stuck
Well, if Haley gets to be president, aside from the obvious that we are truly deeply fucked as a civilized society, I will resent the need to learn Cracker. Learning a foreign language at my age is an unwelcome aggravation. I can speak Hillbilly fluently but Mississippi Cracker is Chinese to me.
If Sarah makes POTUS, I will simply gouge out my one good ear and learn to sign.
Redshirt
I think this is some sorta dark ploy the Repuglican Powers That Be run through every election cycle. All of a sudden, everyone starts chattering about a certain possible Republican presidential candidate; the Powers That Be then watch the resulting reactions in order to judge whether the person is good enough for the job or not. If not, they’ll disappear. If so, you’ll never stop hearing about them.
KG
He can be the “alternative Republican candidate” in 2012, if you don’t believe me, I’ve got three words for you: Straight Talk Express. The press loved McCain in 2000 because he was nice to them. They’ll love Barbour for the same reason, which will give him more free press than he should get. Of course, that analogy will only work if there are two candidates in the field. And if Barbour is the alternative, then as a GOP voter, I’d have to consider heavy amounts of alcohol in 2012 (then again, I’m looking at consuming heavy amounts of alcohol in 2012, and 2011 for that matter, anyway)
shep
There’s still Sarah.
Bnut
@General Stuck: Hillbilly and Cracker would be like Cantonese and Mandarin right? I’ll take the Cream of Sumyunguy.
And also, DougJ, that bltwy.msnbc link is pretty much the worst looking website I have ever seen. Never send me there again. I trusted you, now my eyes need a shower. Never clean….
Derelict
Haley can be as racist as he wants to be. Remember: IOKIYAR.
Ross Hershberger
They’re playing us. They wouldn’t dare run Barbour but if they wave him around a lot suddenly Huck will seem reasonable and cosmopolitan.
srv
McCain, at least in the eyes of The Villagers was a hero. But meeting crankyass McCraingster at the bar for the last couple of years has been a pretty big downer for them.
Maybe Haley knows poetry or appeals to them like the old fashioned crabby editors of lore. Inscrutable, these morons are.
Mark S.
On what planet was Haley Barbour ever considered anything more than a fringe contender? Planet Village, I guess.
Speaking of Village wisdom, I got a hot tip from David Gergen to look out for Jeb Bush. Feel the Jebmentum!
daveNYC
Maker’s Mark isn’t even that good, as bourbons go.
JCT
@Ross Hershberger: Maybe, but the real fun will be watching all the Republicans rip each other to tiny little shreds first.
Until they start waving around his pardoned murderer and someone spills the secret that his weight loss via “exercise and healthy eating” as detailed in his book was uh, helped by a little gastric bypass that he has repeatedly lied about. Old Huck has some baggage.
MattR
@Mark S.:
I can actually see this. Sadly, Jeb has the least baggage of any potential Republican candidate.
@forked tongue: I would add two other names: Rudy Giuliani and (I will probably get flack for this one) Sarah Palin.
forked tongue
@KG:
Bear in mind, there are limits to what even the adulation of the press corps can do. Two words for you: Fred Thompson.
mclaren
If he gives journalists enough Makers Mark, I’ll bet a Haley Barbour presidency starts to sound downright inevitable.
Lolis
The Villagers think Barbour is a “real American.” Same with Palin. They think the majority of Americans are racist and dumb. It is why the Villagers kiss their asses.
Mark S.
@MattR:
You think people are ready for another Bush?
Redshirt
@MattR: No way a “Bush” can run in 2012. Jeb should change his last name – not like the Rethugs would care. He’s an honorable, God fearin’ man after all. Jeb Reagan’s got a nice ring.
But seriously, no way Jeb can run, even if he’s ostensibly the best candidate. No way Jeb would want to run, I think.
This is Sarah’s time to shine. And lose – 2012 is the year of a Rethuglican sacrifice. Like Bob Dole.
MattR
@Mark S.: The American people, no. Republicans, maybe (given their other options).
@Redshirt:
I definitely agree with this. I don’t think Jeb will run, and I think he has obvious obstacles to overcome if he does run, but I don’t think they are insurmountable if he wants to be the Republican nominee. The biggest issue for him is that he would get killed in the general election and any future run would go down the drain. I think he knows he has to wait until 2016 or later if he wants any chance of becoming President.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Mark S.: Oh god that’s what this country needs, another Bush running this country. Better brush up on Portuguese, Brazil is starting to look even more enticing.
Loneoak
@Carol:
Not to mention he has to serve bourbon from Kentucky. Does Mississippi have no reputable distilleries?
Bob Loblaw
I think an equally horrifying prospect is if, in the infinitesimal event of a Republican president in 2013, Haley Barbour is probably candidate #1 for Secretary of Homeland Security after Katrina and BP. What a fun INS that would be.
Keith
What about a giant pyramid of doughnuts?
Linda Featheringill
@Loneoak:
June 2010. New company.
Maybe the answer is no.
Anoniminous
Gallup Poll back in September put the top 5 GOP candidates as:
Romney – 19%
Palin – 16%
Huckabee – 12%
Gingrich – 9%
Paul – 7%
I note that Barbour isn’t on the list.
ETA: I note Jeb isn’t on the list, either.
Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill
@Linda Featheringill:
Fixed.
John - A Motley Moose
I lived in MS in ’07 and ’08. I’m familiar with Barbour. I can see Haley’s campaign ads right now. “Governor Haley Barbour. He’ll do for the country what he’s done for Mississippi.”
MattR
@John – A Motley Moose: “If you can’t read this, vote for Haley”?
Church Lady
@Loneoak:
Unless you can think of a liquor that is distilled from Mississippi’s primary crops of cotton, soybeans and kudzu, the answer would be no. Although I think that there are a couple of small vineyards outside of Oxford.
schrodinger's cat
@Mark S.: Remember when they thought Fred Thompson was hot.
Anonne
Sarah Palin can put on the short shorts and be the Daisy Duke VP candidate. Can you imagine the commercials? Boss Hogg and Daisy Duke in the White House.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@forked tongue: Yup, you only need to change one word in this to get back to Fred Thompson:
I’m not a-scared of Jeb Bush. I don’t think a personal fortune built in political connections and Florida real estate is gonna play well. But then I thought his brother would be done when he promised to stop Al Gore from turning Social Security into some sort of federal program, so you can’t go by me, I’m an unreconstructed liberal elitist.
SiubhanDuinne
@JCT: Oh, interesting about Huck’s gastric bypass surgery. Hadn’t heard that. Got a link?
John - A Motley Moose
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t put anything past these guys. If they are halfway articulate and can hold their own in a debate, unlike Sarah Palin, then they have a shot at getting elected. How else do you explain Rick Scott, of all people, winning the FL governor election?
JCT
@SiubhanDuinne: Things like this can be tightly held (eg medical records) — so no “official” link.
But from what my Arkansas colleagues say, it’s a open “secret” down there. As I recall, it was at least 100 lbs in something like a year, that is a classic GB loss profile. Profoundly difficult to do in that time frame and largely keep it off without some “help” . Absolutely nothing wrong with it and the health benefits are clear for the right patient cohort. But to be dishonest about it in a state with a terrible public health profile (obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc), is pretty slimy. But then again, Huck is a slick character.
fraught
I just don’t think either Barbour or Palin is really running for President. They don’t want that 15 hour a day job with people expecting to know what they’re doing every minute and questioning their judgement, their intelligence, their educations. Both of them are just raising campaign funds and trying to get more famous because famous means rich if you work it right. I mean look at him. Listen to him. Who in fuck’s good name will vote for that pig’s foot? And her? She’s just lazy and just stupid enough to let every one see how lazy she is. Watch, they’ll stay in just long enough to look ridiculous and then drop out and let Romney clean up after them and take the fall.
Gardenvarietygator
They are pundits and are supposed to know,
but they don’t have a clue this time. I’m not sure that this is even new (not having a clue this far out), honestly I didn’t used to pay this much attention to politics until Bush II taught me to be terrified of what they can do. From what I can recall though the democrats usually weren’t real focused early on and have a tendancy to nominate people few had heard of before……Obama, Clinton…….
The republicans supposedly had a history of nominating whoever it was they thought was due…seniority or something. This cycle though that really isn’t obvious. They’ve primaried some, driven away others, some lost generals, before that some went to jail or had a scandal. The seniors are gone and a lot of light weights who knew how to do slogans not think are what’s left.
Most of the press are rather ordinary, no brighter than I am, and they probably couldn’t make a good guess even if they were brilliant because the republican party hasn’t decided what to do. that means they haven’t even got to questions about who should be their leader.
Barbar sounds like a way to lose but so does every single other candidate who I’ve read proposed. I’m not sure he’d actually be worse than some of the others. Oh and speaking from Florida, Jeb was almost as bad as his brother. He put off the reckoning for a whole bunch of fiscal issues which are coming home to roost now (and Crist will get blamed for them or Rubio) and also helped destroy a bunch of state agency effectiveness……which is also just getting noticed.
Church Lady
@JCT:
I’m not so sure I’d trust an “open secret” in Arkansas. We own property there and have a number of friends across the state and, according to many of them, it was an “open secret” that Bill Clinton was running drugs while Governor and had some people killed to cover it up. Caveat emptor and all that shit.
A Ghost To Most
@JCT:
fxt
WyldPirate
Just judging from the comments on this thread, it’s little wonder that “flyover America” thinks so poorly of the “liberal, elite”.
Some of ya’ll act as if your shit doesn’t stink…
Elizabelle
We need a better class of political journalists.
When the New York Times is comparing Jon Stewart to Edward R. Murrow, somebody’s not doing their job.
Just saying.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/business/media/27stewart.html
Eric U.
the Republicans pick a candidate and then he becomes the candidate no matter what happens. Look at John Walnuts, he was totally out of it for a while, and then all of a sudden he comes back and wins. Who knows how they do the picking, but they haven’t revealed the winner yet. I don’t recall when McCain was revealed as the winner, seems like it was about a year out or so.
asiangrrlMN
@Elizabelle: You know, I really can’t believe I’m saying this, but Shep Smith from FOX deserves some credit, too. He was pretty fierce in his pushing the issue as well. There. Last nice thing I’ll say about a FOX person this year (I am pretty sure)>
As for Barbour, yeah, I don’t see it at all. It must be nice to be a Villager….
Ross Hershberger
@WyldPirate:
There’s plenty of scorn to go around. We have this mayor named Kilpatrick that you might have heard of.
Linda Featheringill
@WyldPirate:
Nope. Got a problem with that?
General Stuck
You want to know what could possibly go wrong?
Sedition is thine platform
They are so tunnel focused on destroying Obama, they are willing to destroy the federal government to get to him. And who wants to bet they can’t find 4 conservadems in the senate to go along with this scheme? This is the GOP that the American voters handed 60 plus seats in the House to and turned that body unto these nihilistic creeps. And the sum total of their ideas for governance is to destroy the government. And we are arguing over what, exactly? Way to go dumbass voters and dumbass democrats. It’s going to be a long two years. But by all means, let’s hash what went wrong with the PO>
Silver
@Loneoak:
Bourbon, traditionally, is made in Kentucky. There are a few small distilleries that make Bourbon outside of Kentucky, but none of them are in Mississippi.
Mark S.
Barbour/WyldPirate 2012
Could you accept the VP slot, Wyld? I’ll flip it if you can’t.
Elizabelle
@asiangrrlMN:
So true. Kudos to Shep Smith, who’s distinguished himself on many occasions.
Roy G
@daveNYC, Maker’s Mark is to bourbon what Captain Morgan’s is to rum.
Dennis SGMM
It seems to me that at this point in the deterioration of American electoral politics to state that any Republican couldn’t possibly be a serious candidate for President – or even to be elected – is the height of wishful thinking.
If the press gets a crush on Haley Barbour then he will become “a, colorful, strong-willed, old-fashioned, politician whose steady hand has guided Mississippi through the worst economic downturn since the Depression.” Our press has embraced reinforcing its chosen narratives at the expense of all else.
asiangrrlMN
Oh for fuck’s sake. I live in a fucking flyover state, and I have fucking Ratface Pawlenty as governor, and narrowly escaped having a completely batshitcrazyrightwingnutter (Tom Emmer) take his place. Saying Barbour is an asshole and a racist from the country’s poorest state isn’t being fucking elitist. If anything, he is a fucking elitist. Gah. (It does no good to pie if the rest of y’all insist on quoting the idiocy).
@Elizabelle: I hate to toot my own horn, but I wrote a blog entry about the two of them pushing this issue on ABL’s blog.
General Stuck
@Silver:
Tennessee makes Jack Daniels, I think. Bardstown, Ky is a cool little burg, dotted with these huge sheds, I guess for aging the bourbon. On the outskirts, there is a Benedictine monastery, that makes some of the best cheese in the US. I did a retreat there several times, just for the cheese and to hear the gregorian chants. And I’m not even Catholic. Nor religious in the normal sense.
WyldPirate
@Linda Featheringill:
Looks like the shoe fits you….let me guess. Arrogant bitch, much?
Left Coast Tom
@Ross Hershberger: Well, sure…but I thought WyldPirate was from North Carolina, which isn’t traditionally thought of as “fly-over country”, being on the coast and all, and which has been fairly proud of itself as HQ for Bank of America.
On the other hand, Sarah Palin keeps blathering about being from the Heartland, a term that doesn’t apply to either Alaska (which she governed for 1/2 term) or Idaho (where she’s from), so I guess Its All Good.
Mark S.
@WyldPirate:
Christ, if you think the reason we dislike Barbour is because he’s some salt of the earth populist, put down the fucking glue. He ran one of the biggest lobbyist firms in DC, and he uses racial codewords to get yokels to vote for him. Sorry if we’re contemptuous of him.
SiubhanDuinne
@JCT #41: I do agree that “Huck is a slick character” and that’s putting it mildly and politely. But if what you suggest is true (and obviously I have no way of knowing), I really am disappointed. I met him a couple of times when he was governor, the first time when he was a blimp and the second after he had slimmed down. He was so enthusiastic about his own weight loss and healthful eating and exercise, had turned it into a statewide initiative, and he was actually very inspiring. I remember chatting with him at a coffee and dessert reception one time at a SGA convention, after he had led a panel earlier in the day on diabetes and obesity as public health issues, and told his own story as an example. At the reception, everyone else was indulging in wicked decadent chocolate creations, and Huckabee was eating fresh fruit. I asked him whether it was difficult for him to refrain from “just *one* bite” in that kind of setting, and he said no, by that point he actually found the very idea of sweet desserts pretty unappetizing. I never had much use for his politics, but on that issue I found him genuine and compelling. If he feels the need to lie about having the procedure (if he did), that’s both sad and infuriating, and actually undercuts a lot of his diet and exercise messages.
Ross Hershberger
@Left Coast Tom:
I used to work in NC so I flew over it twice a week for 7 months. It’s technically The South but Charlotte, at least, requires little adjustment for a Northerner. Other than that stint I have little experience with the warmer states. But I know a chip on a shoulder when I see one.
Snayke
That was one of the worst things I’ve ever read. It was like a big, sloppy kiss to Haley Barbour. All that was missing was a nugget of wisdom from Mark Halperin.
Ross Hershberger
@WyldPirate:
There is when they’re assholes. And there’s no need to not dog as asshole just because he’s from an unfairly dogged area.
Is there?
JCT
@Church Lady
Of course- but this is a bit less outlandish than the crazy Clinton stuff and frankly, it fits. And if true it is profoundly dishonest because he runs his weight loss up a flag pole constantly as an “example”.
I’d forgotten about all of the Clinton innuendo, sigh.
Angry Black Lady
@asiangrrlMN: Seriously. Barbour v. Obama? Ha! TNC would love it.
Angry Black Lady
@WyldPirate: really? now we’re throwing the word “cunt” around?
good grief. this place is diseased.
Mark S.
@WyldPirate:
Fuck you, you fucking dipshit. There was no need to call asiangrrl that. She’s a lot more popular here than your dumb ass.
Ross Hershberger
WP, this is the argument room. Abuse is down the hall.
See ‘ya.
Left Coast Tom
@Angry Black Lady:
Nah, just him.
JCT
@SiubhanDuinne
I’m totally with you on this. It would be disappointing, but one could make the argument that he did draw attention to a very important issue.
Back in the early days of the procedure many prominent folks had it done (remember, it wasn’t covered back then, so big bucks) and almost no one admitted to it. Who knows why. But the profile is remarkably similar among patients, incredibly fast weight loss and minimal re-gain. Not to mention the side effects. Maybe it’s unfair, but physicians do talk among ourselves when we hear these sorts of stories and many of us just assumed he had GB done.
It’s possible that he didn’t plan on making this huge big deal about it and it took on a life of his own, but this is a painful topic for many obese people and he just shouldn’t be dishonest about it.
Angry Black Lady
@Mark S.: And then there’s the whole defense of the citizen’s council thing.
I can see the bumperstickers now: “Jim Crow? It wasn’t that bad.”
General Stuck
@Angry Black Lady:
Yes it is. And there was a time when using the c word, or the b word, or any sign of bigoted talk was not condoned here. Not anymore, sadly. And it is hardly just Wildything, the disease is sweeping the liberal blogs, even this one.
Cole is currently obsessed over every uttering of GG, and his libertarian personal jihad against the things he once supported on the national security front, and apparently isn’t paying attention to what his happening on his own blog, or doesn’t care.
but what do i know, being sick in the head. I take comfort in not being a shithouse lawyer though. small wonders
Elizabelle
@asiangrrlMN:
Well done (the ABL post on Stewart/Smith and first responders.)
And happily, I missed a lot of ugliness while reading/watching.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mark S #71:
Taking nothing away from asiangrrl, but that’s a helluva low bar.
forked tongue
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
(Amended to draw even more closely the parallel to Fred Thompson.)
Oh, and by the way, Wyldpirate? You’re a dick.
Linda Featheringill
@WyldPirate:
There is no need to talk that way to asiangirrlMN. Keep a civil tongue in your head.
Elizabelle
@General Stuck:
I think the c word is out of bounds and deserves and apology to asiangrrl
NOW
and don’t know what the b word is.
asiangrrlMN
@WyldPirate: What, you can’t take it when a woman gets up in your face? You can dish it out but you can’t fucking take it? Well that’s too fucking bad. Harbour is an idiot and a dipshit which is what this entry is about, and you’re the one throwing shit around as you always fucking do. Your point was that there are good people in every state? You know how you could have made that point? By fucking saying that. But, no, it was more important to you to show what a fucking tough guy you are sneering at the ‘liberal elites’. So fucking typical of a guy like you.
General Stuck
@Elizabelle:
bitch, as directed toward female personnel.
Mark S.
@SiubhanDuinne:
Well, I can’t argue with that.
One thing I’ve learned over the years: girls can take being called a bitch, but they reeeeeeeeeeallllllllly don’t like the c-word. Just passing that along for some of our slower brethren.
Linda Featheringill
@General Stuck:
And a badge of honor, sometimes. :-)
eemom
@General Stuck:
well, the good thing about being a shithouse lawyer is you are already pegged for life as being a crazed irrational Greenwald hater who is simply incapable of comprehending the vast genius that is Greenwald.
This is actually very liberating.
JAHILL10
Sorry, but the c word should be grounds for banishment. I don’t care who it is directed at, popular or no. That sort of verbal abuse is not argument, it is just ugliness. Violent, sexist ugliness. That is all.
General Stuck
@Mark S.:
Though not female, the other C word for some reason pisses me off. Cow.
General Stuck
@eemom:
I don’t really care about Greenwald. He is some dude saying stuff on the internet. I would be happy to ignore his hackery, but for it shoved in our faces day in and out on this blog. That isn’t my blog, for sure, but I just can’t ignore dishonest accusations of Obama worse than Bush. I wish I could.
Mark S.
@General Stuck:
Yeah, I hate that one too.
Mnemosyne
@WyldPirate:
It says a lot about you that you would attack asiangrrlmn in defense of a racist fuck like Haley Barbour.
Funny how someone who swears up and down that he doesn’t hate Obama because he’s black immediately leaps to the defense of Barbour and his connections to racist hate groups.
Jules
Men who call women cunts normally have very, very small penises….
just saying.
Angry Black Lady
@JAHILL10: Agreed.
SiubhanDuinne
@General Stuck #88: How do you feel about cudlip?
John Cole
WyldPirate is now banned for a month.
Come back when you can stop dropping “c” bombs at female commenters, you asshole.
Mnemosyne
@John Cole:
Thank you!
General Stuck
@John Cole:
Thank you mon capitan.
mike
I wish I could vote for Barney for anything. I hope he runs for president – I would vote for him for any office he ever ran for. I wouldn’t vote for barbour for anything. Barney is an honest person. barbour is a lying, evil racist asshole.
General Stuck
@SiubhanDuinne:
Unless I missed something, I don’t think cudlip is gender specific, but deciphering Matoko speak can be tricky.
I think of it as a hip variation of moooron.
Angry Black Lady
@John Cole: Thanks John.
Mark S.
@John Cole:
Good call.
asiangrrlMN
@John Cole: Thank you, John.
Nutella
@General Stuck:
Which is why you dragged his name into a thread that is not about him at all.
SiubhanDuinne
@John Cole: Thank you for doing that, and for removing his (most) offensive post from this thread. No need for that ugliness to clutter up the archives.
Anya
@WyldPirate: Seriously? That’s your rebuttal to asiangrrlMN? Whether you like it or not, Haley Barbour is a racist asshole who does not care one wit about anyone who’s not a rich white guy. If that’s who you wanna defend then you’re more deranged than I thought.
Anya
@John Cole: Thanks, John!
Edit: I guess my reply to him disappeared with his post.
SiubhanDuinne
@Stuck #98: Yeah, I was just trying to think of another C-word :-)
Anya
@Mnemosyne: I was thinking the same thing. The only demographic Haley Barbour cares about is rich straight white men demo. Anyone who defends him cannot call himself a progressive.
Mark S.
@asiangrrlMN:
Sorry, asiangrrl, that was dickish. You’re my favorite commenter here and you’re never rude. WP was being a total asshole there.
(My girlfriend has told me that trolls are bigger assholes to women. I used to be a tad skeptical, but I believe it now)
So, are the Saints the team to beat this year? I’d like to see them against the Pats.
General Stuck
@Nutella:
Are we butthurt? Me mentioning his name in the context I used, is hardly “dragging” anything. Your comment is a perfect example of the hypersensitive reaction from his supporters, that I was calling attention to. But do carry on. I won’t mention the nameless one any more if you don’t
Silver
@General Stuck:
Jack Daniel’s isn’t Bourbon. It’s Tennessee Whiskey. Difference is the charcoal filtering-Bourbon doesn’t do that.
Elizabelle
The timeout is a good idea.
That word was uncalled for, and we can be civil here.
General Stuck
@Silver:
I did not know that. Thanks
Mark S.
@Mark S.:
Shit, reading that over, that wasn’t clear. I tried to edit but ran out of time. I didn’t mean anything you wrote was dickish, asiangrrl.
John - A Motley Moose
Since this blog doesn’t require acquiring a username, I’d guess you ban based on ip #. If that’s the case, it will be interesting to see if Kenneth posts over the next month. I suspect Ken of being a Wyld sockpuppet.
Rathskeller
Re: Haley Barbour – the most surprising thing to me is not that he is considered presidential material by the Village, but that he was apparently unaware of how unelectable he was as President. Looking at all the would-be GOP candidates, it is striking how self-blind they all are.
Re: WyldPirate. In another thread, WP talked about how he was suffering from some serious illness, and unemployment, and the pending loss of his CORBA benefits. He described coming here and commenting, which he did for hours at a time, as therapeutic. It’s a sad story, not least since he couldn’t apparently comment without unfair insults and unproven contradiction to what others. I would hope that his timeout is instructive, or into cleek’s pie filter he goes.
JGabriel
@MattR:
Jeb has this brother, name of George, you might have heard of him. Powerful baggage he is, powerful indeed.
.
lol
Barbour is a contender on the same planet as Kucinich, Feingold, Grayson, Dean, Edwards and Nader.
Pat
I think Haley Barbour should be Mitt Romney’s running mate. Now that’s a match made in heaven (?) – a Mormon and a Redneck. What more could the AMERICAN PEOPLE ask for in mainstream politicians who represent AMERICAN VALUES?
I would love to see a Biden – Barbour debate. It would be anything but boring for sure! An Obama – Romney debate, probably not so much!
aimai
@JGabriel:
I hate to play devil’s advocate but one thing I’ve learned is that people (on either side) can justify their team choices in a number of creative ways. I can easily see plenty of right wing people voting for the Bush seconds on the grounds that “this time we’ll get it right,” “he’ll clean up Obama and his brother’s mess,” “bush was misunderstood,” “at least we know ‘who he is!'” “a vote for bush with his hispanic wife shows we don’t hate all latinos,” etc…etc…etc… Hell, two years since Obama’s historic win we have a Republican resurgence–in four years they will have completely forgotten Bush II or considered him a trial run for Bush III.
aimai
AxelFoley
@John Cole:
Just a month, Cole? That sumamabitch should be banned for life. Referring to our female bloggers here with sexist remarks while defending a racist fuck. Nah, WP should be gone for good.
Jack
I was born and raised in Northern Mississippi, I left as soon as I could, and now, 20 years later, I’m back.
This place hasn’t changed culturally, it’s like it’s stuck in amber. You go to a flea market and see hundreds of designs on T-shirts with variations of the Confederate Battle Flag, with African-Americans walking around ignoring them and dumb-assed rednecks buying them and taking them out to their pickup trucks that have that same symbol as their front license plate.
Remember, even Alabama took the Confederate Battle Flag off of their state flag back in 2001. The bozos here keep defeating initiatives to remove it, so Mississippi is now the ONLY state that publicly celebrates the Confederacy by having that battle flag as part of the state flag.
Gads, I can NOT believe I grew up here. I’ve visited Third-World countries more culturally advanced…
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Also, now does “FYWP” stand for “F*ck You WyldPirate”????
Jack
I was born and raised in northern Mississippi, just south of the border with Tennessee, and I left as soon as I could. Now, twenty years later, I’m back, and I find that culturally this place has not changed a bit. It’s like it’s been frozen in amber. Confederate Battle Flags fly in front of BBQ joints, are used as front license plates, and are the theme of hundreds of T-shirt designs in flea markets attended by African-Americans and whites.
It’s amazing… I’ve visited Third-World nations more advanced culturally than Mississippi. Recall, even Alabama removed the Confederate Battle Flag from their state flag back in 2001, but the bozos here keep on voting down any inititiative to remove it from the Mississippi flag, making Mississippi the only state whose government publicly celebrates the Confederacy by using the Battle Flag on the state flag.
Gads, I cannot believe I am from here….
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By the way, does “FYWP” now stand for “F*c! You WyldPirate”????
Jack
Hmmm…. have tried to comment twice and they didn’t show up. Am I in moderation purgatory? I don’t recall saying anything out of line…
JAHILL10
Just saw John’s edict. Thanks, John.
twiffer
@General Stuck: yeah, bourbon is legally defined, to distinguish it from other whiskys and whiskies.
i prefer knob creek to maker’s mark, myself. but then again, i prefer scotch and irish whiskey to bourbon anyway.
Linnaeus
IMHO, the best value in bourbon is Elijah Craig.
the reverend lowdown
elijah craig is a great bourbon, especially for it’s price. basil hayden is another good one.