It’s early for the full wingut response to Obama’s speech, but I’m glad to see that Mark Williams has landed on his feet:
Mark Williams, a controversial tea party political movement supporter, said the center would be used for “terrorists to worship their monkey god.”
Williams was publicly ousted by the National Tea Party Federation last month after posting a satirical letter supposedly from “the Colored People.” He resigned as spokesman of the Tea Party Express in July and told reporters he would focus on fighting the mosque plan, the New York Daily News reported at the time.
monkeyboy
At least Muslim terrorists are smart enough to know that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god.
dmsilev
But remember, he’s not a racist. He told us so himself.
dms
aliasofwestgate
*facepalms* Can we just plaster FAIL on his forehead and be done with it, please?
Villago Delenda Est
Mark Williams…the heart and soul of the teabaggers.
They’re not racist, you know…they keep protesting over and over again that they’re not.
BTW, given that known terrorists in this country…the ones who have no problem with killing doctors who perform abortions, and who openly admit that they do so in an effort to use terror to deter other doctors from performing abortions worship the same deity…Williams is right on the money!
demo woman
Why is MSM reporting what Williams says? I’ve often wondered about the fascination with Palin but this seems extreme.
jinxtigr
Maybe he would like the monkey god better if he found someone to translate its simple but beautiful language :)
Hal
Why on earth is MSNBC quoting Mark Williams at all?
Derelict
@Hal:
Because there is nothing–absolutely nothing at all–that a right-wing person can say or do that makes them too abhorrent to participate in the public discourse. See Pat Buchanan, Limbaugh, Tancredo, Williams, King (both of them), Cantor, Boehner, et al–constant and consistent open racism on display. Yet, they are “serious people” who utterances must be reported with all due respect.
Omnes Omnibus
@Hal: Trolling. Like DougJ does.
Ramiah Ariya
I am Hindu, and do worship a monkey god – my monkey god can kick Jehovah’s ass.
Wilson Heath
Clearly a liberal plant and not an actual Teabagger.
El Cid
@Ramiah Ariya: Heck, there have been comic books and movies about his adventures!
Shalimar
Williams went on to say, “Those sand ni**ers don’t deserve no respect anyway because they’re all racists, and racists don’t deserve to live on this earth with good God-fearing Americans.”
PurpleGirl
I think this proves that god does not exist. If I were god and someone who supposedly worshiped me and followed my word said shit like that about one of my groups of people (seeing how I believe in diversity), I just zap him. Hit the jerk with a few billion volts of energy and zap him into nothingness. As this hasn’t happened yet, I guess god does not exist.
El Cid
The main problem is that the American people do not support Obama’s installation of an Al Qa’ida suicide hang gliding base on top of One World Trade Center so his Kenyonesian allies can finally destroy America for communo-paganism.
El Cid
@Shalimar: Remember: We are so god-damned committed to our principles of freedom of religion (of course not freedom from religion) that we have to shut down any non-Christian (okay, maybe a few Jews) religious institution because someday it might threaten our religious freedom.
And also we have to kill any number of people in order for them to understand Jesus’ great love for them.
El Cid
Hey look! The New York Times details the awesome success of Germany’s rebel austerity / labor-punishing policies in these hard times and spent two whole paragraphs on a toss-aside point on Germany’s massive intervention into employment so as to keep more people working.
But we need to be sure it’s the austerity that did it, along with its pure, delectable, painful discipline it demonstrated.
If only we could model German as much in punishing our lavish and yet parasitic pro-poor policies! Then we could enjoy the benefits of the super-rich doing even better while the majority enjoys the benefits of the sweet, sweet pleasure of sacrifice!
Why are our politicians so unable to assist us all with such pleasures?
Ash Can
Actually, since it’s MSNBC doing the reporting, my guess is that this does more to expose him (and, by extension, the teabaggers) to ridicule than to portray him as making a serious contribution to public discourse.
Toast
There’s nothing wrong with Mark Williams that a baseball bat to the face can’t fix.
Joey Maloney
@El Cid: Needs more gibberish, but it’s got a good monkey-god rhythm and you can teabag to it. I give it an 8 out of 10.
Omnes Omnibus
On the other hand, Greenwald is very good on the subject, especially in the obligatory update.
Omnes Omnibus
@Joey Maloney: I say trite and stale. He isn’t doing anything he and many others haven’t done before. If you want to stay at the front of the pack you need to innovate. For example, a Chuthlu reference or Aleister Crowley comparison would have been good, double points if he had managed to fit both into the same sentence.
matoko_chan
@El Cid: the more i think about this the more i come to believe its because they cant proselytize muslims very successfully even here where they can legally proselytize. sure, theres poor rifqa bary, but 1) that happened in the US and 2) they wont be able to parade her around as a conversion trophy much longer because shes dying of cancer that the christofascists told her they faith healed.
that is why they go all ragerager about building churches in mecca and the real goal of the Bush Doctrine and COIN was “implanting/standing up westernstyle democracy” aka proselytizing western judeoxian culture.
New Yorker
Damn, I see I was beaten to it, but I was going to point out that it’s Hindus, not Muslims, who worship a monkey god. I know, to Williams they’re all the same dirka-dirka speaking fake ‘murkans, but still…..
Linda Featheringill
@Ramiah Ariya:
Right on, Honey. Right on.
El Cid
@matoko_chan: Nice. It’s a shame they didn’t try one of those attempted exorcisms where craze Christian evangelicals wrapped her in a blanket ad beat her to death in order to cast out the demons plaguing her.
Cermet
Someone should tell that asswipe that the God that Muslims pray to is the same God that Christ prayed to (and for Christians, are one and the same.) So by his logic that either makes Christ a monkey’s uncle or the monkey … these asswipes just can’t think beyond their own assholes. Just too busy eating new shit to spew out their months again.
Linda Featheringill
@PurpleGirl:
I have often thought that if God did exist, He would not allow some stuff to be done in His name.
On the other hand, I cannot deny that there is a Mystery that does exist, even though I can’t understand it. [And I must admit that the Mystery is beautiful.]
Ah, the life of a spiritual agnostic.
El Cid
@Cermet: You’re talking about yet another religion which will condemn as Godless some group which uses simply another translation of the Bible. Try convincing that Allah is just another word for the same God, or that Abraham was the source of all 3 “people of the book” religions. You’ll fail.
Bob L
“Monkey God” is what they claim Atheist worship. So these nitwits really think atheism and Islam are the same things.
El Cid
@Linda Featheringill: Remember one of the typically disobeyed tenets is that God doesn’t directly and cheaply reveal Himself but has to be found by faith. Though apparently He leaves clues everywhere, like in creationism vs. evolution, so apparently God is a clueless hypocrite as well and couldn’t notice the conflict between not revealing Himself and demanding faith and being too stupid to keep from revealing all these physical clues.
matoko_chan
@mistermix
America advertises freedom of religion but evangelical and conservative christianity are wholly embedded in the older non-hispanic cauc part of the population. That is another reason the right loathes Obama– he is a liberal christian. Dreher and Joe Carter both had poutrage meltdowns over it….because they are fundamentalists….that is right out of Boyer, Religion Explained.
That is why the catholics burned the albigensians and margarete porete…because liberal ideology is more appealing than conservative ideology, and can turn a population like wildfire.
That is why the wingers insist Obama is not a “real” christian.
Because ‘real’ christians believe in god, country, and the flag, and of course they aren’t black.
200 years ago this country was wholly anglosaxon protestants….they dont want to share.
matoko_chan
@Bob L: dont they usually say islam is moon god worship?
Michael
OT, but in a proud moment, I got an entry put into the Urban Dictionary! I defined “Gohmert” as a verb.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gohmert
brian a. hayes
the greed anger and folly of williams gingrich palin and others. great tools of bin landin,why do they show so much love to bin landin and his cult al-qeada.
matoko_chan
@El Cid:
that is for curing homosexuals.
Omnes Omnibus
@Michael: Kudos to you, sir. Kudos.
zattarra
Did anyone dare tread into the comment of that MSNBC post. Just frightening. Stupid, ignorant and misinformed would be the polite thing to say about many of these people. No, it is not at ground zero. Yes, people are actually calling for no new mosques anywhere, not just near ground zero. The local authorities already did weigh in and said it was OK to build there. No, the President is not making any zoning or building decisions. No, it is not OK to say some other country is intolerant so we can be too.
And damn it, freedom of religion means freedom of religion for everyone.
And we are not a Judeo/Christian nation. And the people who say that really just want to say we are a Christian nation, but can only go after one group at a time. For these people once the Muslims are taken care of the Christianists will go back to hating Jews more openly again too. My wife and I when we hear Evangelicals go on about supporting Israel like to remind ourselves how they love Israel, just hate us Jews. We remember our history, we live in this country as Jewish-Americans with these people, we remember the same stuff being done to Mosques being done to Synagogues – damn shame the ADL forgot.
matoko_chan
oh.
i get it.
/facepalm
“monkey god” is a tie in to the gorilla, porch-monkey, blacks-as-monkies dogwhistle race-baiting.
Williams subtle way of saying muslims are niggers. that is why “monkey god” instead of “moon god”.
wallah, they just cant stop themselves.
they can’t turn it off, even though the demographic timer is going to deliver them an epic asswhupping in 2020.
cleek
i love racists and bigots.
they make me feel better about myself.
the same way the guy going 110 down the highway makes me feel better about going 80. if we get pulled over, i got my problems, but they ain’t nothing like that guy’s problems.
Mark S.
@matoko_chan:
Ned Flanders:
Yeah you can. Unitarians and Mormons (I think; they at least don’t believe in the Trinity) don’t believe in the Trinity. Matthew, Mark, and Luke didn’t think to mention that Jesus is God in their Gospels, and Paul didn’t seem to believe in the Jesus = Father = Holy Spirit equation. Go fuck yourself, Rod.
matoko_chan
@zattarra:
they only love Israel as a staked goat to bring on teh Rapture. you jews will be destroyed by satan except for the ones that convert to christianity.
Anomaly100
Didn’t Limbaugh call their God a “Monkey God” too awhile back? It’s hard to keep track. I think they all meet in a warehouse to decide their xenophobic content of the day for their next intolerant snarkisms.
Mark S.
@zattarra:
That came up the other day. If we’re lucky, matako_chan might continue her argument that we all secretly agree with that.
matoko_chan
@Mark S.: in the evo theory of culture sense, Drehrer and Carter have to fiercely resist ‘mutant’ cultural strategies. this is a great analysis….America’s God is Dying
they whole thing is good.
schrodinger's cat
@Bob L: I thought he meant Hanuman of the Hindu epic Ramayana. In one fell swoop, this genius has managed to annoy hindus, muslims and atheists, not bad.
Mark S.
@matoko_chan:
Huh, I never thought of it that way.
matoko_chan
@Mark S.: well do you?
remember, my argument is that islamic culture is superior IN SITU, in the CSS sense. im not saying anything about whether islamic culture and shariah are morally superior…..im saying that in MENA al-Islam is evolutionarily superior, it is immunized against proselytization strats.
That is why we have been getting our asses handed to us for nearly a decade, because our attempts at proselytizing western( judeoxian) culture like COIN and the Bush Doctrine cannot succeed.
matoko_chan
from my link…..
Zandar
What does Sun Wukong have to do with Islam?
What a goofball, that Mark.
cleek
@Zandar:
Sun Wukong is a badass!
Mark S.
I don’t know what CSS and MENA stand for, but I’d agree that imposing democracy and Western values at gunpoint is only going to produce disaster. I don’t see any reason, however, why Islam would be incompatible with a tolerant, democratic society. Muslims have ruled over vast regions in the past over diverse, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious empires.
matoko_chan
That is why a lot of people get mad at me when i try to explain that COIN can’t possibly work. How it could have worked, is if we went in and stood up islamic representative government instead of trying to stand up protestant style representative government.
Saddam had imposed a quasi-secular government that the people hated and fiercely persecuted the imams and ayatollahs.
We could have been heroes.
Instead we are goats.
Muslims will hate us for a thousand thousand years.
WereBear
@Michael: Good on ya!
matoko_chan
@Mark S.: a CSS is a culturally stable strategy, from EGT (evolutionary games theory). All religions are CSSs. MENA is middle-east north africa.
you think a tolerant democratic society CAN ONLY BE WESTERN STYLE.
the reason the Caliphate worked IS BECAUSE IT WAS ISLAMIC.
matoko_chan
Christians were tolerated…..they were valued citizens of the Caliphate as the People of the Book…….they just couldn’t proselytize.
and they still can’t……islam is immunized against proselytization.
see how that works?
Mark S.
@matoko_chan:
OK, what would an Islamic style democracy look like?
(I’m not being snarky, genuinely curious)
matoko_chan
@Zandar: Williams was dogwhistle race-baiting. he was aggregating browns, blacks, and muslims (who can be white, brown, or black) into one appealing bite size xenophobic package.
Bob L
@matoko_chan: Yes, “Moon Worship” that’s the normal dig at Islam.
@schrodinger’s cat: Good chance they don’t see the difference. If it an’t White, Anglo-Saxon Protestantism it is paganism (as in Satanism) in their minds.
Bob L
@matoko_chan: Which kind of gets to what I view what is signally idiotic of the teatard Islam hate. Those American Muslims drinking the waters of religious tolerance can get around the Islam’s barriers and spread freethinking into it.
matoko_chan
@Mark S.: the Islamic republic of Iran is a good example, before nejad and the tyrant khamenei stole the election.
essentially America is a representative secular republic with rule of quasi-secular law. Iran was a representative islamic republic with islamic law.
The only way secular governments exist in MENA is dictators or ex-colonies. The Shah was a dictator that imposed secularism. Saddam was a dictator that imposed secularism. Fucking Attaturk was a dictator that imposed secularism. He outlawed the turkish alphabet to do it even.
It is pure pragmatism….it might be nice to have womens suffrage and freedom of religion in MENA, but if the people wont vote for it when they get to vote, we are screwed.
we are pouring blood and treasure into a bottomless pit.
matoko_chan
@Bob L: you don’t get it….we are free thinking.
we just don’t think protestant.
you have to accept that Islam already HAS freedom of religion…the people of the book are included…..what islam does NOT have is freedom of proselytization.
it may, eventually, but what we are doing NAOW is NOT HELPING.
:)
morzer
@Mark S.:
In fact, historically, there have been many Christians who thought Christ wasn’t divine, because only if he were human could his suffering be meaningful.
Chyron HR
@Zandar:
What, you haven’t read Journey Even Further West?
Joel
@Hal: Did you see the comments section there? The three featured comments are a wingnut special.
Nick
At what point did our media decide bigotry and misinformation was an acceptable “alternative point of view.”
Villago Delenda Est
One of the more idiotic arguments I’ve seen is that we’ll allow this Islamic center if we can build a church in Saudi Arabia.
These asswipes don’t get it. We are SUPPOSED about religious freedom, The Saudi absolute monarchy/theocracy hybrid is not.
The very point that we allow mosques and Islamic centers at all is a testament to OUR commitment to religious freedom, a value that is not shared by the Saudis.
But then again, the fundies barely tolerate Judaism in this country, and only because of the late unpleasantness of 65 years ago in Europe. That’s when it became “Judeao-Christian” values, and not just “Christian” values. Of course, most of these clowns imagine that Jefferson was a holy roller just like them (insert eyeroll here).
Saudi Arabia is their template for what they’d like to do here.
morzer
@Villago Delenda Est:
Basically what the fundies want is Theocracy Without Turbans.
New Yorker
Why are we all talking as if democracy and Islam are completely incompatible? The world’s largest Muslim country (by population) is a democracy. Indonesia, for better or worse, is a functional democracy, and it’s not the only one in the Islamic world.
matoko_chan
a lot of people are operating on their a priori knowledge that shariah is intrinsically evil and inhuman. it is not. it is a system of religious doctrine encoded as islamic law. most of it is good and useful…it is a prescription for just behavior and approaching allah.
like the ten commandments would be if they became part of american jurisprudence.
matoko_chan
@New Yorker: but it is an islamic democracy with islamic political parties, and an ex-colony. Lebanon is an excolony.
That is the only way……like we changed Japanese culture– genocide, invasion, occupation, reconstruction.
simply proselytizing (like COIN) doesn’t work.
it just pisses people off.
Nick
@Ash Can:
if that’s their point, they’re failing miserably…and they’re doing is presenting his point of view as an acceptable form of opposition.
That’s the problem with the teabaggers…they get attention and presented as a legitimate point of view, so they go radical because they can and still be legitimized on TV. Until the networks call them out, they’ll keep doing, and that won’t happen until someone high up gets whacked, and even then Fox will probably blame the political climate.
This week, someone left a bouquet of flowers with a note that said “Rest in Piece” on a State Senator’s doorstep here in New York. We didn’t present it as “oh, well, some people out there are frustrated, so they do these things,” we called it out as a horrible thing to do.
Not the cable news media, they let people make threats on their airwaves and then use it as part of their “voters are angry” narrative
Bella Q
@morzer:
Also known as government with g*d (so long as that deity is the very specific fundamental Christian(ist) g*d). Heaven help us in the US should many more of these folks get elected.
morzer
@New Yorker:
Add Lebanon to the list.
Sheila
I thought the monkey god, Hanuman, belonged to the Hindus. This is why comparative religions should be taught in the schools along with world history. It would do us all a great deal of good. We could then turn our uninformed hatred into informed hatred.
gnomedad
You know who else was “controversial”?
growingdaisies
@Hal: In cases like this, I think it’s actually very important to report these kinds of comments. It exposes the vicious bigotry at the heart of the Islamic center hysteria.
morzer
@gnomedad:
mmmm Robert Gibbs?
demo woman
@Nick: I agree with everything you said. Bloomberg gave an excellent speech about Cordoba House and it received less attention from MSM than the tea baggers view. MSM decided that their role is to create chaos rather than dispel myths. The only reason that I can think of for their lack of honest reporting is that they want to present the republican view. Is it possible that the tea baggers are the only republicans left.
Nick
@Villago Delenda Est:
We don’t seem to care much about religious freedom in Saudi Arabia while we’re buying tanker-loads of oil from them and bathing them in our money.
morzer
@demo woman:
I would call that speech the most admirable moment of Bloomberg’s career. I am also very glad that Obama spoke up for the real principles that underlie America.
Svensker
@matoko_chan:
Actually, that’s not true for all fundies. The sect my brother belongs to (no idea what name) believes that Jews (neo-con Jews, of course, not liberal Jews) are still the Chosen People and that God has a special plan for them — kind of the separate but equal argument. And that those Jews will be saved along with the true Christians.
roshan
@matoko_chan:
Muslims ruled a large part of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan for many centuries. Look up the Mughal Empire and you will find many great kings like Babur, Akbar the great, Shahjahan, Jehangir etc. Most of Indian populace have been hindus and still remain hindus. The Taj Mahal was built by Shahjahan. Every where you go in Delhi you will find monuments from the Mughal era.
calipygian
Sadly, this really isn’t nut picking:
Notice that except for one response comment, this call for terrorism in response to Frank Gaffney’s insanity gets a positive rating.
Why do I have a despairing feeling that we are entering a very dangerous period?
matoko_chan
@Svensker: yeah, a different flavor of pre-trib fundies is all. John Hagee style (the most prevalent) is that jews either convert or get whacked by satan. not getting whacked by satan is a conversion incentive.
Sarah Palin’s old pastor taught that the jews would refuge in alaska during Tribulation.
crazipants.
my euro friends love to read out loud from the Left Behinder books at bottle parties……much drunken hilarity.
matoko_chan
@roshan: yeah…but we all look the same to the christofacists.
it doenst matter what color we are, it is that we aren’t “saved” for big white plastic jeebus….and we dont want to be.
its all about the rejection.
:)
morzer
He stole that from Michael Chabon!
(The Yiddish Policemen’s Union)
demo woman
@morzer: If MSM had paid attention to the speech, the polls against the building of Cordoba House would be different. Instead they talk about hallowed ground and the scary brown people. The dumbing down of the American public.
Michael D.
So, Republicans think it’s insensitive and offensive to build a mosque near the WTC site.
Dear Republicans: Since when did you care about things being offensive and insensitive? In fact, isn’t insensitivity and offense part of the official Republican Party platform? For years, Republicans have been telling gays, blacks, women, and other groups they don’t like that they don’t have the right NOT to be offended. The Economist does a good job with this:
WATBs.
matoko_chan
@morzer: HA! i think Chabon prolly took it from the pastor. it was sarah’s old church, and i think he’d been teaching that for years. when sarah got ambitions she switched to a marginally less crazy church.
morzer
@matoko_chan:
Actually, I think we have just identified the reason why Sarah the Illiterate took such a passionate interest in Wasilla’s library. She was just covering up her pastor’s plagiarism!
matoko_chan
@demo woman:
no. its just the right. the left still reads and watches Jon Stewart. conservatism has become selection for stupid. its biomemetic engineering for a nation of FOXnews viewers.
Zandar
Sun Wukong would totally fuck up Mark Williams’s shit. I don’t understand why he’s picking a fight with the guy.
Wingers are crazy.
Mark S.
OT- I’ve always hated Dr. Laura, but I didn’t know the bitch was racist. I think any white person who uses the argument “Why is it wrong for white people to use the n-word when black people do it all the time” should be lynched as a form of reparations.
cleek
@matoko_chan:
see the Slattery Report:
matoko_chan
@morzer: lawl…could be. i loved the book. im so sad for people that can’t experience scifi….i think scifi is how we test drive the future before it gets here.
Svensker
Gaaaah. I just went over and read some of the comments. Well, at least I won’t be feeling lousy with low blood pressure today.
Really, what is wrong with us? When did we lose our basic decency?
morzer
@Svensker:
Did the far-right crazies ever have any basic decency? History suggests otherwise to me.
matoko_chan
@cleek: if only Israel was in alaska instead of in palestine….that would have spared us both Bibbi and Sarah.
She would have been much smarter as a jew.
Anya
@demo woman: The Great Ground Zero Mosque Hoax James Standish does a good job dispelling some of the myths about the centre.
Honus
@Mark S.: about like a Christian democracy. All religions are essentially autocratic.
Anya
@Mark S.: It always baffles me why do these assholes need a permission to use the N word, unless of course they are racists. As some people pointed out, Dr. Laura’s offense was not using the n word but for her other racist arguments. Particularly the fallacy of using the overwhelming votes of Blacks for the Obama as proof of tribalism of black people. As if African-Americans would not have voted Hillary Clinton in the same margins.
jurassicpork
Really, can we really expect any better of a GOP that’s not only made up entirely of crybabies but are even scared of them?
roshan
@matoko_chan:
OT, doesn’t Israel seem like a welfare state for all intent and purposes? Why would the conservatives who are against welfare, support this country so much? Would anyone here be shocked if Farid Zakaria wrote a column detailing the need to attack Israel just coz they have nuclear weapons…if yes then why so? Isn’t that’s what Jeffrey Goldberg has done in his recent column in making the case for attacking Iran?
Omnes Omnibus
@jurassicpork: Having read the piece at your link, I have question for you. When, in your opinion, would have been the appropriate time for Obama to have weighed in on this issue? This is, or should have been, a matter for local zoning boards. The idiots got involved and it blew up. Should Obama be compelled to issue a statement every time right wing idiots get upset about something? I think he has enough to do already without adding that to the list. Bloomberg, as mayor, had a legitimate reason to get involved early; Nadler, as the Representative for the the area, had an OK reason, but beyond that, shouldn’t it have been a local matter?
roshan
Where do the great, wise and learned libertarians fall on the Cordoba House issue? Doesn’t private property owners rights hold any sanctity for them anymore?
Svensker
@Omnes Omnibus:
ZOMG. He gave the speech on a Friday night! News dump! What a wuss.
But, actually, the speech was given at the Friday night Ramadan dinner at the WH — which changes the whole complexion from News Dump! to logical and appropriate, doesn’t it? Context is so important.
Maybe Gibbs was right, after all.
morzer
Freedom for rich white people, and Megan McArdle for the Nobel Prize for Economics. At least, that seems to be the underlying core philosophy of the Gliberati.
Svensker
@roshan:
No, just like the Objectivists (Ayn Rand followers) support every move of the most fanatic Likudnik Israelis, even tho Rand was a rabid atheist and anti-tribalist/collectivist. Humans just can’t seem to help falling back on the ol’ gut reaction of visceral hate for The Other.
asdf
On Free Republic today,
“I saw the beginning of the dirty little Leftist game of PC in 60s – You’re right don’t play their PC game. If Leftists call you down for being Politically Incorrect, just get up in their face and spit on it! And never, never, NEVER say you’re sorry! Leftists are INFERIORS and I’m being to wonder if they’re even human beings.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2570386/posts
Omnes Omnibus
@Svensker: This is the kind of thing where I think that, if Obama had said something earlier, people would have been upset that he was interfering in a local matter/dignifying the idiots/by taking them seriously/something else that made is action wrong.
Mark S.
@roshan:
Reason argues that the fact we aren’t exterminating Muslims (yet) is proof that we are the most free and tolerant country in the world!
Any place else in the world! Eat it, Luxembourg! Suck it, Sweden!
USA! USA! USA!
roshan
@Mark S.:
Well, we are exterminating Muslims, one wedding party at a time.
JD Rhoades
@dmsilev:
Whenever anyone starts a comment with “I’m not a racist, but…” You know that after the ‘but” they’re going to (1) say something incredibly racist, (2) complain that they can’t say something racist, or (3) both.
Omnes Omnibus
@JD Rhoades: But I have a black/Jewish/Moslem/liberal/gay/[insert group here] friend, how could I be [insert term here]?
Moses2317
We progressives have rightly been critical of a number of things that the Obama Administration has done or failed to do over the past 18 months. It is critical, however, that we also express our support and gratitude when they do the right thing.
President Obama’s stirring support for the right of private property owners to build the Cordoba Muslim community center in lower Manhattan and his vow to fight efforts to privatize Social Security are two important examples of the Administration doing the right thing.
Let the White House know we appreciate it by sending a letter here – http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
roshan
@Omnes Omnibus:
I tried this. Not sure if it still works though.
But I have a
black/Jewish/Moslem/liberal/gay/non-asshole friend, how could I be an asshole?THE
@matoko_chan:
While I find myself in agreement with a lot of what you are saying, I would be very cautious regarding Moshfegh’s speech.
If you read the Frontline article that Andrew Sullivan is referencing, it’s clear that there are many problems with this speech.
Weighing up the significance of this is no trivial matter.
Be careful jumping to conclusions is all I’m saying.
Some of the comments on that link are very insightful too.
Omnes Omnibus
@roshan: I think the answer is that your friend does not yet know that you are an asshole. (Not personally directed, of course. I have no idea if you are or are not an asshole.)
JD Rhoades
@morzer:
GREAT book.
Boots
It’s too bad no one at the DCCC has the stones to run a clip like this on a loop in every sebnate district up for grabs this year.
Boots
@asdf:
It’s the Free Republic. I’d be disappointed if they were saying anything less, actually.
trollhattan
@cleek:
You see, I had no expectation of learning anything remotely this kewhl on getting out of bed this morning. Yet, despite my low bar height, I now know about Sun Wukong! Even the name is kewhl.
“Sun Wukong”
bemused
@Mark S.:
Dr. Laura’s show should be called, “Looking for advice in all the wrong places”.
Allison W.
NY POST COVER: (rupert murdoch paper)
Obama blesses ground zero mosque
‘Allah Right by Me’
http://www.nypost.com/archives/covers/;jsessionid=3400FEC2D8F2002DE0E4DFEA162B7E04
NY DAILY NEWS:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/galleries/august_2010_daily_news_front_pages/august_2010_daily_news_front_pages.html
Prez: build the mosque
Obama backs Muslism center near WTC
FYI: Obama in Panama city beach, florida right now.
dmsilev
@calipygian: I like how that Gaffney screed was posted at ‘Big Peace’, another Breitbart production. They really do think that Orwell was writing an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.
How long until we get ‘Big Truth’ and ‘Big Love’? Granted, the latter is already taken, but so what?
dms
Allison W.
@Boots:
enough with the genital/ manhood knocks already. every attack doesn’t work in every market. The most pressing issue is how republicans have actively and shamelessly worked to stop the recovery.
asdf
I shouldn’t be surprised, I suppose, but all this racism is just shocking to me. Who cares?
If I were driving my little niece to soccer and some of that came on the radio…
Omnes Omnibus
@dmsilev: It’s Big BooTAY.
ETA: Has anyone heard from Cole? He usually is alive by this point in the day. Was the bash too much for him? Did Tunch finally get him?
Villago Delenda Est
“Political Correctness” started out as a joke among hard lefties, making fun of the sort of orthodox tendencies you found amongst Trotskyites…who, interestingly, have converted since then to neo-conservatism.
The vile asshole that is David Horowitz personifies the sort of twit they were tweeking.
The wingnuts, of course, miss the entire point of “PC” in the process….you can’t get people much more into rigid orthodoxy than the wingnuts.
dmsilev
OT: Via Digby, this is one of the most hilarious entries “stupid wingnut tricks” file that I’ve seen in quite a while.
dms
Omnes Omnibus
@dmsilev: The mind, it boggles and reels at the same time.
maus
@matoko_chan: It’s specifically hate against muslims/hindus, not african-americans (for once.)
@dmsilev: What is is about Rand (and Anime, for that matter…) that turns people into utter manchildren?
matoko_chan
@Svensker: Rand was also a sexual libertine.
Mayken
@Mark S.: She’s sexist and a religious bigot of several stripes – it surprises you she’s a racist?
Michael
Also on Free Republic on Dr Laura:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2569956/posts?page=47#47
And yes, this is a real live person who is not lying.
Mayken
@Nick: Jan 20, 2009. (Well, actually before that, since shortly after Obama declared his candidacy but that’s the most convenient date, imho.)
PurpleGirl
OT but I just saw this at Digby’s place:
http://leanleft.com/2010/08/14/objectivist-tool-goes-on-worlds-dumbest-roadtrip/
It’s a hoot. (It really belongs on a Rand Paul thread or similar but this is the current thread.)
Svensker
@dmsilev:
And if you click through to the comments at the source things get even more hilarious. That is if you find “Did so!” “Did not!” “Did so!” “I’m telling mom!” style of argument hilarious.
THE
@Ramiah Ariya:
“Thou art the mighty ape Hanuman that aided Vishnu in the incarnation of Rama in his expedition against Ravana”. – The Mahabharata
morzer
@matoko_chan:
To be more precise, she forced a young disciple to service her sexually, and once he decided it was all too revolting, she immediately disowned him.
matoko_chan
@maus: no….wingers hate all outgroups. they have come to realize the downside of open bigotry against blacks tho……that is why the obama/watermelon, michelle/chimpanzee, black/gorilla stuff gets played under the table. williams got a smackdown for the overt racism in his NAACP letter…….hes gone stealthy….monkey god instead of moon god.
open bigotry against blacks means they lose the youth demographic.
Black entertainers and atheletes are the leading wave of american culture….so old white racists are uncool.
they have been telling themselves that the youth demographic turns conservative at 30…..that is more magical thinking.
The Vanishing Young Republicans
consider Audra Shay leader of the “young” republicans. She is pushing 40 real hard. Consider James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles….old people in young person suits so crude you can see the zipper a half mile away.
Common Sense
Whattya know, the Prez can eloquently defend a basic American principle, even when it is unpopular and he doesn’t have any direct control over the outcome. Wish he”d figure that out wrt DADT.
matoko_chan
@maus:
wallah….don’t be a hater.
im a total weeaboo and and a stone otaku of the Major.
and a grrl.
here, try some j-pop…..you needs broadening.
Heavenly Star by Genki Rockets
Sentimental Piggy Romance by Lovely Mokochang.
:)
Michael
@matoko_chan:
For 40, she’s looking a lot like 48. Time is not treating that woman well.
Anne Laurie
t@matoko_chan:
Right. As an animist, I don’t want “a system of religious doctrine” encoded into civil law, because our democracy is based on the idea that civil society is distinct from religious belief. I don’t want shariah law engraved on the courthouse wall any more than I want the “Ten Commandments” there, because doing so is both anti-American and against my personal religious beliefs.
matoko_chan
i love Genki Rockets soooo much.
this is OT, but the lead singer is supposed to be a synth, a total silicon voice composite that isn’t a single carbon based human at all.
she has her own website and fan club.
the next demographic the wingers will hate on……synthetic humans.
matoko_chan
@Anne Laurie: like i said, that can NEVAH happen in america.
but it IS THE ONLY THING that can happen in islamic cultures, unless there is colonization or a dictator.
The doctrine of the People of the Book includes jews and christians….the Caliphate had freedom of religion…jews and christians were citizens……but not freedom of proselytization.
that is why COIN fails.
COIN is proselytization of western culture.
Anne Laurie
@matoko_chan:
I’m not sure John Boehner isn’t one of the those synthetic humans, actually. It would explain his weird non-human skin tone, not to mention his functional inability to respond to normal human emotional cues.
matoko_chan
@Anne Laurie: but they don’t hate him.
:)
citizen cyborg is going to be a complete nightmare for the wingers.
they already think transhumanism is of the devil.
THE
Speaking of synthetic humans,
awesome trailer for Deus Ex Human Revolution
John
@matoko_chan:
Once you exclude all ex-colonies from consideration, all you have left is Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and the northern half of Yemen. Everywhere else in the Islamic world was a colony at some point. And, of course, Turkey is a secular democracy (more or less). So is Albania, for that matter.
matoko_chan
@John: dude that is my point. Turkey is a kemalist regime imposed by a dictator that is evolving to be a representative islamic state. WHAT DON”T YOU GET ABOUT THIS RETARD?
As wonderful as you think western judeoxian democracy is muslims will not choose it……as awful as you think shariah is, muslims will vote for shariah when they get to vote.
morzer
@matoko_chan:
Calling yourself a retard may be accurate, but it really doesn’t strengthen your argument, such as it is.
AxelFoley
@Toast:
I like your style.
THE
Yeah, that’s where you and I part company I suspect.
Forced to choose, I would always choose a secular dictatorship rather than a theocratic democracy.
Secular>>democracy, for me.
e.g. If I had to choose to live in China or Iran?
I’d choose China.
matoko_chan
@THE: you arent the one choosing.
monkeyboy
@Bob L:
I adopted my nickname a good while back to proclaim my heritage and to annoy creationists (and as a homage to Buckaroo Banzai). I’ve never heard of Atheists worshiping monkeys but I guess some people think everybody worships their ancestors.
I’m available in case someone wants to worship me. Cash tithing using unmarked bills is the truest form of worship.
morzer
@monkeyboy:
Those wily Darwinian cultists and their simian sharia….
THE
True, and I’m not inclined to intervene in other countries unless it very directly impinges on our interests.
I’m a very poor internationalist by any measure.
So while I wouldn’t meddle in other countries internal affairs,
neither will I support human rights campaigns or foreign aid.
Other than maybe emergency aid.
I really do believe in independent paths.
Voluntary trade, investment and treaties are OK.
THE
Sorry, my last comment was response to matoko_chan @157
Uncle Clarence Thomas
@Common Sense:
I don’t understand why they made Obama narrow his “defense” of the mosque:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/Obama_narrows_mosque_defense.html
henqiguai
@Omnes Omnibus (#105):
Yeah, still catching up. So, Omnes; the President should address this, even if only in a simple state, because the whole issue centers around one of the United States’ bed-rock central raison d’etres – nicely summed up in the First Amendment. Some probably call it ‘leadership’.
matoko_chan
@monkeyboy: oh i thot you were this kind of monkeyboy.
ksmiami
@matoko_chan:
Why would anyone young and sane vote Republican? What does the party offer someone up and coming in the world?? I don’t even think that party can recover in the long term considering the loonies are running the asylum. That isn’t to say that 2010 elections might be rough for the Democrats, but as the GOP is now locked into this ever-nuttier feedback loop (my ideas aren’t crazy – see, Nancy here agrees), they lose the ability to connect with the majority. I can’t even stand listening to the other side as it has been par-boiled to its hardened Fox-news edumacated core. And that’s not even counting the million mis-step campaign with women, minorities, etc.