Actually, it polls pretty badly in New York.

[citation needed]

This is like putting an Italian/German/Japanese/Austrian/Turkish/Spanish/Mexican/British/Vietnamese/Iraqi embassy within a few miles of Arlington.

Oh wait. THEY DID THAT!

Newt Ginrich’s spokesman told Salon in a phone interview today that building a mosque at Ground Zero “would be like putting a statue of Mussolini or Marx at Arlington National Cemetery.”Asked what the 19th century German philosopher had ever done to America, Gingrich spokesman Rick Tyler said: “Well let’s go with Lenin then.” Tyler explained that he was talking about Lenin, who died in 1924, as representative of the Cold War and ideologies opposed to America.

That, as they, is that.

I quoted you yesterday in another thread without giving you credit. Sorry.

However, it was so appropriate for the topic.

Religious bigotry really is religious bigotry is religious bigotry.

To me the problem with this discussion is that nobody cares to distinguish between “the jews,” “israel,” “the ADL,” “some guy I know,” “my uncle,” “a random experience I had with some subset of the jews,”

I agree with you.

In Berlin makes sense but in DC?

It’s not good for the “healing process”

New Yorkers seem to have no problem with the planned structure, so why do Newt and a bunch of other gasbags from the fly-over zone have sand in their vaginas about it?

Actually, it polls pretty badly in New York.

How did the Romans persecute the Jews? I thought the Jews got a bit of a pass from the Romans, who recognized that Judaism pre-dated the Roman religion. Of course they invaded Judea and treated everyone there like crap in their inimitable Roman way but it wasn’t a religious issue IIRC.

“IIRC”? And how old were you at that time, Dear? :-)

But seriously: After a while the Jews got tired of the Roman yoke [which laid heavy on everyone] and started twitching a bit under the burden and then the Romans got nastier and nastier.

On the topic of Christians, by the way, the first Christians were ethnic Jews. And the Roman leaders and Roman common folks never tired to public executions of Christians until the religion contained more Romans than Jews. Then it wasn’t so funny. I guess killing Roman Christians just isn’t as satisfying as killing Jewish Christians.

but it’s NOT a mosque, it’s a community center.

ya beat me to it!
i’m even behinder than you!

Taking a strong stance in favor of the mosque…

Not a mosque, a community center.
Just for accuracy.

The Romans and the Jews?

A small point about a long post.

How did the Romans persecute the Jews? I thought the Jews got a bit of a pass from the Romans, who recognized that Judaism pre-dated the Roman religion. Of course they invaded Judea and treated everyone there like crap in their inimitable Roman way but it wasn’t a religious issue IIRC.

But the Romans and the Christians? That’s another matter completely.

The problem is Muslim extremism.

We have a group of Muslims who want to be part of the community and are building a community center.

Therefore, the way to fight Muslim extremism is to refuse to allow Muslims who want to be part of the larger community to join us and keep them segregated from everyone else.

Guh?

I don’t mean to be insensitive, but when we talk about the victims of 9/11, I think we generally mean the people who were killed on that day. Who does ADL specifically see as “some victims” in this case? I imagine that there are things happening in the city every single day that give rise to painful memories among some New Yorkers.

And let’s not forget that 60 muslims were part of the 3000 killed that day. I guess the ADL don’t consider them victims.