Comments on: Marching Towards the Police State, Whimpering All the Way

By: sparky

sparky — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:27:54 +0000

@Will Danz: win? @wilfred: win? where's that damn deciderer, anyways?

By: Corner Stone

Corner Stone — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:43:27 +0000

@NobodySpecial: joe from LOL is doing his best to propagate state powers. He wants to use easy analogies that people can agree with, like “envelopes” and “post office mail”.
Has nothing to do with the topic at hand but you’ll notice some 80% of his posts speak to that nonsense.

By: NobodySpecial

NobodySpecial — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:44:59 +0000

@joe from Lowell: There IS no 'envelope'. You can't see the IP address of whom you're sending it to when you write it, and they can't see it when they receive it.

By: Uncle Clarence Thomas

Uncle Clarence Thomas — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:52:07 +0000

@wilfred: FTW!

By: Uncle Clarence Thomas

Uncle Clarence Thomas — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:48:50 +0000

It’s Just One More Truly Historic Obama Legislative Win!

By: burnspbesq

burnspbesq — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:31:14 +0000

A useful reminder from Marc Ambinder:

the FBI has abused the NSL authority, essentially fabricating pretexts for sending NSLs to thousands of people. Since the NSL authority was expanded by the PATRIOT Act, three separate OIG investigations have found abuses that rise above the level of incidental misuse of power.

By: General Stuck

General Stuck — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:06:15 +0000

@NobodySpecial:

B) You’re a confessed liar.

Shirley not.

By: Bill Murray

Bill Murray — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:59:36 +0000

@joe from Lowell: this might be the single dumbest statement in the whole thread, and that's a much higher standard than reasonable suspicion

By: Will Danz

Will Danz — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:55:52 +0000

Now that both parties are essentially weak-kneed pansies who faint if someone so much as whispers the word “terrorism” anywhere near them

Uh-oh!

POUTRAGE!

Cole is a fucking FIREBAGGER.

Get him, brave Dennis G.! Tell him what a pissypants Hamsher-loving bitch he is.

By: General Stuck

General Stuck — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:55:32 +0000

@NobodySpecial: Come over here and let stuck give ya a hug. ya big wookie.

By: burnspbesq

burnspbesq — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:51:51 +0000

Just so there is no lack of clarity:

If the current state of the law is as Joe from Lowell describes it, then the law is thoroughly fucked up.

By: Comrade Dread

Comrade Dread — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:41:28 +0000

@joe from Lowell:

You have been arguing that I and others are wrong and overreacting for thinking this is an unconstitutional invasion of privacy and our rights, that law enforcement is well within their rights to look into this information with reasonable suspicion, and that it is completely unorthodox as a matter of opinion to be worried about letting an agency writing its own subpoenas define what is a reasonable suspicion without external oversight.

So what part of this doesn’t translate into “Don’t worry about it, nothing to see here”?

By: burnspbesq

burnspbesq — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:41:13 +0000

@joe from Lowell:

Fuck you. Since when is a deeply held belief the same as a knee-jerk reaction?

And as I said yesterday in another context, “consistent with existing precedent” is not the same as “correctly decided.” The entire body of search-and-seizure jurisprudence went straight to hell beginning with Rakas in 1976. It’s all crap, and your willingness to accept is as the status quo speaks very badly of you.

See, unlike you, I stayed awake and paid attention in Con Law and Crim Pro.

By: Ruckus

Ruckus — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:31:03 +0000

@NonyNony:
If I could be guaranteed that only criminals and terrorists would be caught up in this, I’d be less skeptical of it. But then, if I could be guaranteed that it would only be used on criminals and terrorists, they probably wouldn’t need to be doing it without a warrant now would they?

This is the law’s side of if you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.
We’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
I’m pretty sure that level of trust in any government is not warranted.

By: joe from Lowell

joe from Lowell — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:45:14 +0000

No, exactly the statement called for based on the specifics of your comment.

Words: they mean things, not just convey emotions. Look them up.