Brazil v Ivory Coast Open Thread
Will Drogba start? How will Ivory Coast defend against Brazil’s attack? I would love to see the Ivory Coast go through, but not at Brazil’s expense. I have no desire to sleep on the sofa. Go Canarinhos!
June 20, 2010 2:00 pm
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superfly - June 20, 2010 | 2:12 pm · Link
I was so disappointed (or more accurately, pissed off) when the draw was made and Ivory Coast ended up in this group, second straight World Cup they’ve been in the toughest group. I think they were good enough to get to the quarters in 2006.
For no other reason than loving Kolo Toure (Arsenal fan here too), and their orange jerseys, I’ve been rooting for Cote d’Ivorie since then, so I’ll be rooting for them hard today.
They should let 3 through from this group, and declare Paraguay as the only team from Group F going through.
You Don't Say - June 20, 2010 | 2:14 pm · Link
Go Ivory Coast!
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 2:23 pm · Link
I feel awful (everyone in the house is sick) but still rooting for Brasil albeit with no voice :(
Vamos Brasil rumo ao HEXA !!
Dos filhos deste solo
És mãe gentil,
Pátria amada,
Brasil!
Miss Kitka's Comrade Wayne - June 20, 2010 | 2:27 pm · Link
who ate the rest of the Brazilian anthem?
mcd410x - June 20, 2010 | 2:28 pm · Link
Arsenal really could have used Gilberto Silva these last two years. Good enough for Brazil, though.
fbihop - June 20, 2010 | 2:31 pm · Link
Nice to see the ESPN announcers didn’t even get excited about Robinho’s scoring chance.
frankdawg - June 20, 2010 | 2:32 pm · Link
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:)
licensed to kill time - June 20, 2010 | 2:34 pm · Link
Say, can anybody here tell me what Anelka actually said to his coach? My halfhearted google searches turn up lots about it but not the words themselves. I figured since we at BJ don’t fall over in a faint at curse words maybe I could get the real poop by asking soccer fans here…...anyone know?
Miss Kitka's Comrade Wayne - June 20, 2010 | 2:35 pm · Link
@licensed to kill time: I saw it quoted (in France-Football) as “va te faire enculer, sale fils de pute.”
frankdawg - June 20, 2010 | 2:36 pm · Link
In other news you can lose
It is being reported that N. Korea TV is giving the final score for the World Cup match up between Brazil & DPRK as 50-0. I assume the rest of the world has been lied to so we won’t have to suffer the humiliation of such a great victory for the North Korean’s
frankdawg - June 20, 2010 | 2:38 pm · Link
@Miss Kitka’s Comrade Wayne:
Basically threatening anal rape for the progeny of a woman of ill repute?
Though ‘sale’ has me perplexed, thats salt but maybe it has another meaning here?
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 2:38 pm · Link
@Miss Kitka’s Comrade Wayne: That certainly needs no translation.
licensed to kill time - June 20, 2010 | 2:41 pm · Link
@Miss Kitka’s Comrade Wayne: Thanks! google translated it for me, too!
edit:though I did get the gist…
Miss Kitka's Comrade Wayne - June 20, 2010 | 2:44 pm · Link
@frankdawg: sale = dirty
@Randinho: précisément…
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 2:56 pm · Link
Gooooooooollllllllllllll! Brazil
!
Ugh - June 20, 2010 | 2:57 pm · Link
They do play a different game than everyone else, don’t they?
Miss Kitka's Comrade Wayne - June 20, 2010 | 2:57 pm · Link
que petardo!
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 2:58 pm · Link
Que baita gol do Fabiano (Fabuloso), neh???
stormhit - June 20, 2010 | 2:58 pm · Link
@Ugh:
No.
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 3:01 pm · Link
Battle back Ivory Coast!
Bill E Pilgrim - June 20, 2010 | 3:07 pm · Link
@frankdawg: Salt is sel.
Sale means room, well, salle, anyway but it’s probably just misspelled.
So what he said is basically “Go to the fair, you inkblot, in the room with the son of Putin.”
I’m not sure why that’s so insulting.
Ked - June 20, 2010 | 3:09 pm · Link
The whole French thing is amusing on a number of different levels, but what really sticks out for me is the way most of the media commentary on the situation frames this as “players behaving badly”, while the straight reporting usually goes on for paragraphs about how the coach is basically fired after the tournament and the national organization is in disarray.
There’s a point where disrespect needs to be squashed, and I don’t know everything about what everyone has said over the last months, but I’m going to have to come down on the players’ side of things here. I’ve had to work for idiots on a number of occasions. My situation is not one where I can tell them to fuck off… but nothing good ever came of those companies either. For a top international team, these situations simply should never be allowed to happen. So if the coaching staff retaliates – and I’m pretty sure they will, given the actions they’ve taken so far – I hope the players have the guts to simply walk off the last game.
Leeds man - June 20, 2010 | 3:12 pm · Link
@frankdawg:
Same root as “salacious” I’d guess.
Calouste - June 20, 2010 | 3:13 pm · Link
@Randinho:
Technically it does need a translation, but only a literal one, and it certainly doesn’t need any explanation about French slang.
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 3:19 pm · Link
@Calouste: Depends on the language(s) one knows. From a romantic language stand point (at least Portuguese), needs no translation
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 3:21 pm · Link
@Calouste: I’ve never taken a second of instruction in French, but my Portuguese and Spanish knowledge gave me no problem understanding it.
Arabic may be the best language for cursing.
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 3:28 pm · Link
@Randinho: I’m no priss but that list made me blush! haha
frankdawg - June 20, 2010 | 3:31 pm · Link
@Bill E Pilgrim:
D’oh! thanks.
BTW - I found an image from the US non-goal & the fouls are obvious:
http://s755.photobucket.com/al.....t=foul.jpg
wait wait wait – what color jersey did the US wear?
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 3:34 pm · Link
That video of the French fitness coach throwing his credentials was great. Come on South Africa, France is ripe for the picking.
@Ked
When Laurent Blanc takes over as national manager it really is going to be like night and day. It’s a pity that the French Football Federation basically pissed away a World Cup cycle due to internal squabbles.
You Don't Say - June 20, 2010 | 3:38 pm · Link
Is Ivory Coast out if they lose?
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 3:38 pm · Link
GOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Fabuloso
Leeds man - June 20, 2010 | 3:39 pm · Link
Nice goal, except for the handball.
MattR - June 20, 2010 | 3:41 pm · Link
@You Don’t Say: Nope, but they will need Portugal to lose to Brazil (or North Korea) and then win the goal differential tiebreaker with Portugal
mcd410x - June 20, 2010 | 3:44 pm · Link
@Leeds man: Both of them!
Jogo bonito may be a myth, but that was close.
Bill E Pilgrim - June 20, 2010 | 3:44 pm · Link
@Leeds man:
Well that’s interesting. I got curious and just took a quick look, salacious comes from salire in Latin, “to leap”, which seems to be about readiness to jump people’s bones, basically.
Sale meaning dirty in French (by the way it’s the everyday word for dirty in French, just as in English, I mean it has no inherent sexual content, necessarily) seems to come from salir also, but seems more related to the word for “to salt” which is the second definition for salir in Latin.
Why salt and dirty should be related I’m not sure. In fact I’m more confused than when I started, but it was interesting.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salire#Latin
Leeds man - June 20, 2010 | 3:48 pm · Link
@Bill E Pilgrim:
“Salty language” is naughty. I’d assumed it referred to sailors’ (salts’) language, but maybe the salt-sex affiliation is much older. The taste of sweat?
You Don't Say - June 20, 2010 | 3:49 pm · Link
@MattR: Good luck to them then. I’m new to soccer and have latched onto Ivory Coast.
Ugh. 3-zip.
Bill E Pilgrim - June 20, 2010 | 3:50 pm · Link
@Leeds man: Well, or the salt-dirty link is older at least anyway. Or both. I was thinking something like that. Needing a shower, basically. Must be.
Yikes, so is it still a beautiful game if the other side is totally humiliated?
Miss Kitka's Comrade Wayne - June 20, 2010 | 3:50 pm · Link
Bra Siu iu iu iu
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 3:51 pm · Link
GOOOOL Elano
Vamo Brasil sil sil sil
agora quero um do Robinho
fbihop - June 20, 2010 | 3:53 pm · Link
As soon as a team opens up and tries to push for a goal against Brazil… then Brazil shreds their defense and scores.
This game could get very ugly here, 5-0 or 6-0 even.
And this might be the end of Elano’s tournament.
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 4:06 pm · Link
Brain cramp by Brazil’s defense, there.
You Don't Say - June 20, 2010 | 4:06 pm · Link
Yay!
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 4:07 pm · Link
Brazil playing like Brazil.
Argentina, Netherlands, Brazil. The 3 big boys that have performed as advertised.
Goal here from Drogba. Shame about that third Brazil goal. This could have been a crazy finish.
fbihop - June 20, 2010 | 4:07 pm · Link
Don’t worry about marking that Drogba guy. He isn’t a world class striker or anything.
Calouste - June 20, 2010 | 4:11 pm · Link
That was some fairly sloppy defending by Brazil. Reminded me of that 1982 match when they gave a couple of goals away to Paolo Rossi.
Bill E Pilgrim - June 20, 2010 | 4:14 pm · Link
Ah, the dinner theater portion of our program has started.
mcd410x - June 20, 2010 | 4:15 pm · Link
Jogo bonito!
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 4:15 pm · Link
keita, what an actor
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 4:16 pm · Link
Does Keita have Italian ancestry? :-)
Mark S. - June 20, 2010 | 4:16 pm · Link
Oh Jesus. I think Brazil might want to appeal that red card.
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 4:16 pm · Link
See ya Kaka.
Terrible finish here by Brazil. You expect a classier performance from the world’s best footballers.
Quiddity - June 20, 2010 | 4:17 pm · Link
@frankdawg: Hilarious!
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 4:18 pm · Link
@Randinho: or be related to Cristiano Ronaldo?
fbihop - June 20, 2010 | 4:18 pm · Link
Funny thing is that Kaka had just dove a minute or so before, and so had two other Brazilians.
EDIT:
Also, I can’t feel bad for Brazil getting a bogus second yellow/red card because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVksdN4QnvA
mlloyd - June 20, 2010 | 4:19 pm · Link
Ok, a dive, for sure. But Kaka did throw an elbow, didn’t he?
Leeds man - June 20, 2010 | 4:20 pm · Link
@Mark S.:
Nonsense. Kaka used the Brazilian Elbow Chest Tap, which is known to cause intense facial pain, followed much later by mild embarrassment.
Anyway, I feel much worse for Harry Kewell.
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 4:20 pm · Link
@fbihop: they all dive, the thing is to not flop..that is, make it mockingly so obvious.
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 4:21 pm · Link
@Mark S.
It was two yellows so I don’t know if it is even up for appeal. The point should be that with all the cameras and such the players should be ashamed to play act so much. If you get elbowed in the chest, don’t freaking grab your head and go down.
Honestly, this is where the haters in this country have a point. Someone acting like so in any American sport would never live it down. It really is a disgrace and a pity that post-match the actors never have to pay for their performances.
Martin - June 20, 2010 | 4:22 pm · Link
@Mark S.: What goes around, comes around.
Ivory Coast didn’t cheat any more than Brazil did, they’re just better actors with better timing.
Bill E Pilgrim - June 20, 2010 | 4:22 pm · Link
@wengler: Uhm, did you see that in slow motion? He walked into Kaka’s arm against his chest and then collapsed holding his face.
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 4:23 pm · Link
@wengler: Seriously? They flop in the NBA quite a bit!
Mark S. - June 20, 2010 | 4:24 pm · Link
@Leeds man:
[me writhing in pain, holding my face as if someone just threw acid on it]
Red card for Leeds man, which means he’ll be suspended for the next World Cup Open Thread.
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 4:26 pm · Link
One of the worst was in 2002 when Rivaldo was ready for a corner against Turkey, got hit in the legs by the ball hurled at him by a Turkish player and fell to the ground covering his face. Rivaldo was a brilliant player, but his face was arguably his least positive aspect.
Rivaldo was fined subsequent to that, btw.
Cacti - June 20, 2010 | 4:28 pm · Link
@wengler:
You must not watch the NBA.
Calouste - June 20, 2010 | 4:28 pm · Link
@Mark S.:
Doubt that. The whole accident happened no where near the ball, and those kind of things typically get a yellow, if they are spotted by an official that is. It wasn’t violent enough for a direct red, but a direct red wasn’t given.
mcd410x - June 20, 2010 | 4:30 pm · Link
In so many ways, the Brazilians and Italians deserve each other.
Cacti - June 20, 2010 | 4:33 pm · Link
Dunga should have pulled Kaka after the first yellow.
Then again, just as well that he misses a game against the world’s greatest performance artist, Cristiano Ronaldo.
Martin - June 20, 2010 | 4:34 pm · Link
There really should be a rule that if a player is covering his face, they draw an immediate yellow. It’d be the fairest and most accurate rule in the sport.
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 4:34 pm · Link
@Bill E Pilgrim
Kaka elbowed him in the chest off the ball. Acting aside it was a fair yellow card.
@wobblybits
There’s nearly always contact in the NBA though. The reward for flopping is usually much less too.
@Randinho
The worst one I remember in World Cup play was the one where the guy grabbed his face and went down causing Laurent Blanc to miss the final where France won it all.
Watching Italy and Brazil back to back makes me notice that Italy is much better at the actual diving, while Brazil is much better at the writhing around in fake pain after the dive.
Calouste - June 20, 2010 | 4:35 pm · Link
@mcd410x:
Brazil-Portugal is going to be a nasty match to watch as well.
Randinho - June 20, 2010 | 4:36 pm · Link
@Cacti: Agreed. On the other hand, perhaps Nilmar will start against Portugal.
wengler - June 20, 2010 | 4:36 pm · Link
@Cacti
You’re right. I don’t.
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 4:37 pm · Link
@wengler: Much less? I take it you don’t watch basketball.
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 4:38 pm · Link
@Calouste: True ugliness will be if Brazil and Argentina meet.
Cacti - June 20, 2010 | 4:40 pm · Link
It was an undisciplined move by Kaka. He raised his forearm on purpose. I’m a big Brazil fan and there’s no doubt it was intentional.
I’m a little irritated at Kaka for the mental lapse, and a lot irritated at Dunga for leaving him in there with a yellow when the game was in hand.
Mark S. - June 20, 2010 | 4:42 pm · Link
Was someone saying the other day they changed the rules on yellow cards? They don’t reset until the quarterfinals?
stuckinred - June 20, 2010 | 4:56 pm · Link
@wobblybits: Hi WB!
wobblybits - June 20, 2010 | 5:06 pm · Link
@stuckinred: Hey! Hope you and the gang are well. I’m about to head back to bed (still sick) but I had to watch this on TV.
Calouste - June 20, 2010 | 5:09 pm · Link
@Cacti:
It was a typical revenge action. You half look over your shoulder to see where the other guy is (and hope no one sees you looking), and then when you estimate he is just alongside you, you stick out an arm or leg or step in his way. If he wasn’t there when you though he was, no harm done. If he is, in a lot of cases it looks like an accident. Except of course in this case it was a bit too obvious.
Mark S. - June 20, 2010 | 5:37 pm · Link
@Ked:
It’s hardly unusual that a manager would be gone after the end of a major tournament and that everyone knows it. Probably more than half of the current managers in this WC will be gone after it’s over. It’s not like Domenich just got hired; he’s been there since the last WC. These guys knew what they were getting into. As for:
If something that insane happened, FIFA would be well within its rights to ban France from the next WC, completely screwing the next generation of French players. And they should ban them: it screws up the tournament. Let’s say Uruguay beats Mexico. You give the three points to South Africa even though they didn’t play. What the hell tiebreaker do you use, keeping in mind the first tiebreaker is goal differential?
Bill E Pilgrim - June 20, 2010 | 6:00 pm · Link
@Cacti: You saw it differently from how I did then, that’s for certain.
The French announcers were appalled, they kept showing it and saying “nothing!”, there was nothing there.
A guy putting his arm up like that between them when two of them are jostling, there’s no way that was getting a yellow card if the other guy hadn’t fallen down as if he’d been knifed in the eye. That’s why they do it. It got the yellow card.
Dr. Squid - June 20, 2010 | 6:25 pm · Link
Nice handball Fabiano. When you look like you’re reaching for a beer on the top shelf and the ball hits your arm, that’s a handball.
And does that Ivorian play in the Italian leagues?
Bill Murray - June 20, 2010 | 6:27 pm · Link
I’m surprised nobody is giving the ref half the stick, the Malian ref of the US-Slovenia game. They both blew a goal call and this guy let the game get completely out of control.
Calouste - June 20, 2010 | 6:51 pm · Link
@Mark S.:
Walk overs are recorded as 3-0 I think, so goal differential would be easy to calculated.
And yes, if the FFF can’t bang some heads together and get a team out on the pitch, they should be banned from the next World Cup. It’s not FIFA’s problem if they can’t get a working relationship going between the coach and the team. It is FIFA’s problem if a match is forfeited during their showcase event.
Bullsmith - June 20, 2010 | 6:53 pm · Link
Worst reffed game of the tournament so far. A blind senile retarded flea could see the way it was heading and he seemed determined to let it fall apart. Not that Brazil behaved in any way respectively, but when a team’s getting blown out and they start throwing grossly vicious tackles, the ref HAS to punish them. This one nearly degenerated into a brawl and the ref STILL never found his red card. Shameful performance.
Mark S. - June 20, 2010 | 7:07 pm · Link
@Calouste:
Didn’t know that.
SRW1 - June 21, 2010 | 3:50 am · Link
@Mark S.:
Decision by FIFA in March 2010:
Yellowcard reset at WC 2010 AFTER the round of 16, i.e. BEFORE the quaterfinals.
I guess this has been under the radar until now because people only get interested when all sorts of eventualities actually threaten on the horizon.
Like a hypothetical worst case scenario for Brazil: Kaka misses the next game against Portugal, but plays in the round of 16 where he get’s another yellowcard. He then misses the quaterfinal before the reset enters into force.