You probably heard about this:
At least seven people, including some from Michigan, have been arrested in raids by a FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based Christian militia group, a person familiar with the matter said.
[….]Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
Where’s this headed? These guys were really extremists lefties like that guy who flew his plane into the IRS building or this is Obama’s jack-booted thugs trampling the rights of good Murkins?
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
Obama’s jack-booted thugs trampling the rights of good Murkins?
I’ll put a twenty on that one. What kind of odds are you giving?
DougJ
@Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist:
Even money. I wonder if there is some way to do a pool for this stuff.
Redshirt
Amazing how cries against “the Black Helicopters” and “Jack Booted Thugs” disappeared for exactly 8 years, just co-incidentally during the Bush admin. Now with Obama in charge, just by chance, I suppose, these crazies are all back and a’froth;
It’s a nice loop: Crazies act crazies, break laws, law enforcement enforces laws, crazies use this as example of tyranny.
Martyrs out of molehills.
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
Actually, I’m sure different wingnuts will advance both theories (and others even crazier). How do we know which one wins? The first to be repeated as though fact by a major media figure or member of Congress?
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
@Redshirt: Martyrs out of molehills.
Heh, very nice.
mcc
So what are the arrests for?
Doug J’s link suggests it was related to threats against Islamic organizations.
Fox News reported the arrests were for pipe bomb sales, but I haven’t seen that corroborated elsewhere (?).
TenguPhule
Betting on B.
Anyone want to take me up on a wager that this is also going to fall under “Black man gonna take your guns!” with the GOP fundraising?
General Egali Tarian Stuck
For some perspective on what is happening now in our country/
Sweet dreams.
robertdsc
I got nothing. I’m just sick of conservatives and their shit.
demkat620
Yeah, I’m gonna go with B.
What are they taking of these people, any one reported yet?
The Grand Panjandrum
You should see the videos these knuckleheads put up.
Litlebritdifrnt
I have been following this on twitter all day, they really are ratcheting up the crazy out there.
PS) Very cool and obscure musical reference there Doug
PeakVT
It’s all fun and games until a politician gets shot. /snark
Unfortunately, most of the media is going to keep feeding the fire (unintentionally or not) until somebody does get shot.
morzer
I suspect that they are complaining about jackbooted helicopters as we speak.
MattR
What kind of odds can I get for “neither”? If they are good enough, that is the bet I’ll take. This group is a bunch of Christianists so that eliminates the lefties angle. And the other Michigan militias already distance themselves from this group and were quick to note that this was a limited action against this one group so we may actually not see cries against the gov’t. Of course, I should really know better than to doubt that the right wing will pass up an oppitunity to play the victim. So (b) is probably the most likely, but “neither” is more likely than you would expect.
gbear
@The Grand Panjandrum: How about a rundown for those of us who don’t want to click to hate sites, please and thnx.
I’ll vote that Fox will be all over option B, 24/7, no matter what the facts turn out to be.
Konrad2
I would put my money on them complaining about government persecuting Christians.
Mark S.
Unless they turn out to be a bunch of neo-Nazi skinheads, I’m going with b, especially since:
Muslim militia guy (?) conspiring with our Muslim president, etc.
morzer
@gbear:
Well, it shows them burning a UN flag and HEROICALLY running a really ugly-ass flag up an undefended flagpole. Mais c’est formidable!
JGabriel
DougJ @ Top:
Even Al Teada inciter of window-breaking Vanderboegh calls the Hutaree “despicable”.
My guess is that the Feds had intelligence that the Hutaree were planning some sort of domestic terrorism attack. Alternately, they were selling pipe bombs and other illegal weapons, which is the rumor that’s being reported now.
I’m not sure that we’ll really know all the charges until Monday or Tuesday.
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Loneoak
Fuuuccckkk. Why do these dudes pop up in Michigan so regularly? I grew up there and I can’t explain it. Sure we have some weird brands of Calvinism and a lot of economic depression, but really?
The Grand Panjandrum
@gbear: Just a bunch of guys running around the woods in camo doing live fire exercises. They look a little younger than most of the militia guys I’ve seen previously. But from what I’ve read even the other militias are suspicious of these guys and think they might be too extreme. (i.e. these guys might actually want to fight the government, instead of just do a bunch of saber rattling)
Malron aka eclecticbrotha
+10 intenets for the thread title Doug.
I can’t wait for the Wingnuts from Teabagistan to claim that this group is just a “lone wacko.”
TenguPhule
Not so amazing, they were just being turned on the “right people” by Dear Leader.
Malron aka eclecticbrotha
Grrrrr, the inteRnet gods won’t let me edit my typos.
Nellcote
@Redshirt:
They’ve always been there but authorities left them alone so no negative press. The only time you heard about them was when they were getting sued.
Svensker
Crooks & Liars has some interesting internet chat from one of the militia members.
I don’t get this “Christian militia” thing. Where do these guys get this “Jesus wants us to go kill folks” stuff? The people who have tried to live as close to the early church as possible — the Amish, the Mennonites and the early Quakers — were/are all pacifists because of their strict adherence to Jesus’s teachings. Somehow, dressing up in camo and wielding pipe bombs doesn’t fit in with any New Testament I’ve ever read.
Loneoak
Apparently some of these arrests went down at a 10-year anniversary party for Hutaree (wtf does that name mean?). We shouldn’t underestimate the fact that W. didn’t enforce anything and so would not have gone after these arrests. Terrorists were brown, not white. The craziest whinging might get louder during Democratic administrations, but it doesn’t ever go away.
DougJ
@JGabriel:
Actually, he seems to be saying that the Hutaree are despicable BUT that the Feds should not have done this anyway. That’s what I expect as an initial reaction.
If the right decides that the action was merited by the despicability of the Hutaree, then it will follow that the Hutaree are not true conservatives and hence, most likely, that they are extreme leftists.
ChrisB
@Litlebritdifrnt: Obscure?
Thanks for making me feel really old.
Dick Weathers
Sweet, right in my back yard!
ugh
The Grand Panjandrum
@Svensker: These guys are all slow readers, they’re stuck in Leviticus.
gbear
@Svensker:
Out of their asses.
jharp
Ya gotta go to this annarbor.com link and check out “Chainsaw”. Photo at right.
A classic.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/fbi-conducts-raids-in-washtenaw-lenawee-counties/
Cat Lady
They’re all just fucking retarded.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
@DougJ: Can you release my comment in mod?
jrg
Because the apostles were all Ninjas, SWAT team members, and SEALs. The 12 apostles were like wingnut Voltron… a veritable hippie and Muslim killing machine.
That’s the problem with you liberals. You never read the fucking Bible.
TenguPhule
Old Testament. Where *GOD* is both a mighty asshole and a dick.
See Also, Catholic Church.
See Also, Southern Fucking Baptists.
See Also, Operation Rescue (money from the suckers).
maryQ
I kind of think it is up to Obama to prove he is NOT the antiChrist. You never hear anyone in the liberal media say that, tough.
nwithers
It will be interesting to see what the charges are when they are unsealed. They sound like a really nasty bunch of people, but you know, legal process, innocent until proven guilty and all that.
DougJ
@General Egali Tarian Stuck:
Just did, I think.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
@DougJ: Thanks!
demimondian
@jrg: Ironically, today is Palm Sunday, when my congregation reads the Passion together in lieu of a Gospel reading. This year’s version was the version from Luke 22, in which Jesus actually did instruct his followers to arm themselves at verses 36-38.
So, they’re not *completely* out there. Just mostly.
mcc
@Loneoak:
http://www.hutaree.com/forum/read.php?12,140,140
Martin
@nwithers: Unpossible! They are Christians!
Nellcote
OT good ole CSPAN a choice between LaPalin at the teabagger woodstock or Bill Bennet pontificating about something or other. Talk about programming diversity, not.
Quackosaur
@The Grand Panjandrum:
Apparently one of them forgot that in the forest, wearing sand-colored boots doesn’t work so well for the camouflage. Also, don’t they know that by posting their tactics on the Youtube, which we all know is a Soshulist plot developed by Barack HUSSEIN Obama to pacify the otherwise vocal (with guns!) opposition, they’re demonstrating what they can do and what kind of equipment they have to their enemies? Perhaps it is a feint and they have secret stockpiles of Holy Hand Grenades?
Furthermore, what makes them think the War for America will be fought in the forest? Against UN Peacekeepers?
Loneoak
A friend who lives near there tells me that the local sheriff had recently used Hutaree to search for missing persons on two occasions and it caused an uproar.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@jrg: I want your bible. The one I grew up reading said they were tax collectors and others that Jesus turned into fishers of men. I didn’t know they could assemble into a giant tower G-Force style that could take on government.
Nellcote
@demimondian:
Just curious, what does that have to do with Palm sunday?
lamh31
Clark Kellogg: CBS Analyst To FACE OBAMA On Basketball Court With Harry Smith
Liberty60
Here is the comment I left on Dan Riehl’s site:
Maybe we should demand that the Government respect Habea Corpus, and demonstrate clear evidence of a crime before they detain accused terrorists. Maybe we should insist, loudly, that American citizens cannot be detained without trial or charges.
Glenn Greenwald and the ACLU have been clamoring for this for years now. Maybe they need more support, do you think?
jharp
Loneoak,
That’s Chainsaw!
http://www.annarbor.com/news/bridgewater-township-turns-to-militia-for-help/
Those lone oaks in the fields of the midwest are cool as hell. Can’t imagine cutting one down. I assume that’s what your handle is about.
demimondian
@Nellcote: Luke 22 covers the Last Supper and Passion of Christ through the Crucifixion. Palm Sunday is the start of Passion Week — the triumphal entrance into Jerusalem is only the beginning of the week, culminating in Good Friday.
JGabriel
Jeepers. I just checked out the Hutaree’s “Phorum”. Most of it is closed to people who aren’t registered (which is admittedly for the best), but the topic headers are visible. It includes titles like “Evil Jew Forum” and “Weapons: The Things You Kill With”.
Yeah, they’re not big on subtlety.
But this was my favorite topic (the punchline is in the date):
You know, guys, an efficient militia keeps their intelligence reports current and useful.
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Nellcote
@demimondian:
Sorry to be so ignorant but what does that have to do with picking up swords?
Litlebritdifrnt
@ChrisB: I was referring to a piece of music quite often played by the Royal Marine bands of the same name.
Lyle4
Is there anyone really good at understanding religious fundamentalists? Or understanding of crazy in general? Cause I would assume that the people who TRULY believe Obama is the anti-christ would be some of the most zealous and devout. Except, you know, the whole point of being the anti-Christ is that NO ONE SUSPECTS that he/she will be the anti-Christ, so…Obama can’t be it since people suspect him.
I’m a heathen who doesn’t give a shit about religion and even I know this.
Mark S.
@JGabriel:
Yeah, I noticed the evil Jew forum (phorum?). They aren’t going to get any sympathy from Fox (or their subsidiary, the GOP) if they are a bunch of anti-Semites.
jl
Having to play obscure little Butler in the final four has driven some Michiganders mad as March hares. The truth will out, trust me. I expect a follow-up from B-J on this.
And speaking of jack booted thugs, can heroic WV stop the Evil Empire, Duke?
Quackosaur
@JGabriel:
I’m sure those titles are ruses to hide the fact that their organization is a front for a hippie-liberal, commie-fascist food pantry and battered women’s shelter. They don’t want the real crazies knowing what they’re actually up to because they’d probably launch an incursion or something to root out terrorist-lovers.
Oooh! Maybe they’re word jumbles! J is a hard letter to work with, but I’m sure I’ll think of something!
Mike Kay
@Redshirt: Influence of Hate Radio/TV
During those eight years, you didn’t have that hillbilly-heroin addict Rush or Fixxed News whipping up anti-government kool-aid for the cult.
Bubblegum Tate
The anti-Christ, of course, being Obama to a good quarter of the teabagger set according to that recent poll.
demimondian
@Nellcote: Ah. I’m sorry, I misunderstood the question.
In Luke’s version, at least one of the two swords does get used, on a temple servant. Christ reattaches the poor guy’s ear after one of the apostles chops it off. Beyond that, I don’t know.
Mark S.
Man, these idiots don’t even show up on the SPLC hate map. That’s gotta be a big disappointment for them.
catclub
Nellcote:
Palm Sunday is the last sunday before Easter, so for all the people who do not attend Holy Week services (most folks), the only time for reading the Passion story before the Resurrection that is Easter.
Reading the passion story ON Easter would be a total bummer, but (theologically speaking here) having the Resurrection without the Passion makes no sense.
It should be done on Good Friday. But if you are doing it right, you also perform Bach’s St Matthew Passion
(It takes about four hours.) between morning and afternoon Good Friday services.
JGabriel
@DougJ:
Of course. They’ll be anti-Christian anarchists secretly in league with Muslims.
You can tell because they hate Jews, and all real fundamentalist Christian Conservatives love Israel and want to protect it until God destroys it in Armageddon and only Islamoanarchocommiegayatheistsocialabortifascists want to destroy Israel before God says so.
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Davis X. Machina
Besides the preference for the Old Testament (smiting, armies, etc.) there’s the milites Christi tradition that goes back to the Crusades and runs pretty strong in the Catholic and Lutheran, at least, tradition, surviving the Reformation pretty intact. The Thirty Years War left a lot of psychic scars right across northern Europe.
In England and Scotland you’ve got the New Model Army, and the Covenanters, Cromwell and “Croppies Lie Down”.
Albion’s Seed touches on some of these traditions. <A HREF=". It might be the most important book in the field of American politics for the last twenty years, even though it’s nominally historical anthropology.
Chad N Freude
@The Grand Panjandrum: Pretty polished video. So how come they’re not doing their thing in Iraq?
Best moment of the video is when the burning UN flag is replaced by the Hutaree flag that is … too limp to wave. (No kidding.)
freelancer
@Konrad2:
somebody hasn’t been to http://www.persecution.com/
catclub
Demimondian:
Ok, which Liturgical branch are you?
Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian?
I recognized that Luke reference having read it this morning.
I’m Episcopalian
Davis X. Machina
Albion’s Seed link was broken.
Fixed here.
Dee Loralei
@mcc: Thanks for that link. One of them called someone who argued with their biblical interpretation a “pew potato” which was actually a pretty apt description of so many Christianists.
Cat Lady
@Davis X. Machina:
Jeebus gawd. You need NCAA brackets to keep track of Christian whackadoodles too? Instead of reading that book, can you just let me know which Mall Cops for Jesus are in the final four?
kthxbai.
demimondian
@catclub: I’m also Episcopalian, which is why we did Luke 22 today. Just like you, we’ll be back on Matthew next year.
Our congregation is far too small to do any of the Bach Passions. We’ll have to content ourselves with stripping the altar and blowing out the precence light.
Nellcote
@catclub:
Why is Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox? That’s always seemed either Pagan-y or arbitrary. Who decided on the date?
JGabriel
@Quackosaur:
They’re in Michigan, Quackosaur. They expect the invasion to come from Canada. Why else would Jesus put them there?
And since even the Hutaree aren’t quite stupid enough to believe that the Royal Canadian Mounties will attack in their red uniforms, riding moose roughshod over the US/Canadian border, they are dumb enough to think that the Canadians will recruit the UN (or vice versa) to lead the attack!
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General Egali Tarian Stuck
Long as the Feds leave alone my Church of Reformed Druids of North America.
We Believe
Our main weapon is the digital camera and awe.
And some thought I was kidding.
MikeJ
@Nellcote: Wasn’t it teh joos who decided, what with the crucifying being on Passover?
Dee Loralei
@Nellcote: Based on Passover. Last Supper was a Passover Seder. At least that’s what I remember.
Viva BrisVegas
@Nellcote:
It’s Passover with a different label.
Jesus wasn’t celebrating Easter at the Last Supper.
JGabriel
@Mark S.:
But they were being IRONIC! How come libtards get away with being ironic but not good old Real Americans?
OR
But they were being IRONIC! Which proves that they’re libtards!
(Yes, the second one makes zero sense no matter how you parse it. Which makes it most likely option for the wingnuts to choose.)
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Ash Can
@Nellcote:
@demimondian:
The translators of the New American Bible determined Jesus’s talk of swords in this passage to be figurative, and his “enough” comment as breaking off the discussion in frustration when the disciples misunderstood him and took him literally. If these translators are correct (and they did take pains to translate accurately from the original scriptural languages), then any “Christian warrior” mentality based on this passage is erroneous, since it stems from a misreading of the scripture.
Xenos
@ChrisB: If ‘hootenanny’ makes you think of Woody Guthrie or Pete Seeger, then yes, you are pretty old. I suspect Dougj is thinking in terms of the Replacements, though.
priscianus jr
@Svensker:
If you don’t get the “Christian militia” thing, google “Christian Identity” movement and you’ll start to find out. The first thing that will come up is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity
Davis X. Machina
Actually, if Easter falls on Passover, under the Eastern Orthodox reckoning, you move Easter.
The section e Oxford Book of the Year on the history of the comptus the calculation of the date of Easter, is 30+ pages long.
Mike Kay
@Cat Lady: what potty mouth on you, Rahm (wags stump)
kay
They were clearly looking for bombs, because they took bomb squads to the arrests in MI and OH, but, I don’t know.
I’m getting a strong “bunch of clowns” feeling from these people, doing a little reading.
Maybe the FBI get a little edgy around April.
Johnny B
In the event that these militia groups were planning to bomb buildings and kill civilians en masse, now would be a good time for Obama to agree to allow military commissions and ship all of these domestic terrorists to Guantanomo. My God, if these guys were planning to bomb buildings in downtown Detroit, we can’t possibly hold a trial there. That would put all the citizens of the city in danger as other domestic terrorists might engage in other terrorist attacks during the trial.
Anoniminous
Been up all this time and nobody has snarked on the fact Michigan is the Wolverine state?
Nellcote
@Viva BrisVegas:
So Passover and therefore Easter are based on the Jewish calendar? Weird that it coincides with the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox thing.
demimondian
@Ash Can: Yes. I did say that they were out there, after all.
Jody
Let’s start a pool going right now to see which wingnut will be the first to advocate for both theories.
Anyone?
demimondian
@Nellcote: Not really. The Jewish liturgical calendar is a Lunar-Solar calendar. (The Islamic calendar, if you care, is strictly Lunar. The Christian calendars are all strictly solar.)
Cain
@demimondian:
Sell your cloak and buy a sword? Was a sword really that cheap in those days? Making a sword is a lot of work! A cloak? It’s just some fancy blanket ain’t it?
cain
JGabriel
@Xenos:
And if you were born the year The Replacements recorded Hootenanny, then you’re about 27 years old.
And if you’re old enough to remember partying to it in college the year it came out … sigh … then you’re old enough to have a kid who’s old enough to run for Congress.
Goddammit, how did I get so fucking old?
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jl
I just took the title as a Hutaree hootenanny, or Hutenanny.
Christian identity is a grab bag of insane racism, hung on a few rickety and goofy speculations about the supposed hidden meaning of apocalyptic verses. And laughably ridiculous distortions of the Biblical creation myth.
I guess Xtian fundamentalists are good targets for this nasty garbage, since they whole heretical version of Christianity is based on rickety and goofy speculations about the supposed hidden meaning of apocalyptic verses.
I have wondered whether some of the European WWII fascists believed in some type of Christian Identity.
Loneoak
@Ash Can:
There are obviously folks here who take their faith seriously whom I respect, but as a non-beleiver I’m always bewildered by attempts to find internal consistency in beliefs about supernatural beings and their desires or wishes for us. To me, it simply doesn’t matter whether they are following Jesus’ teachings accurately or inaccurately because such internal consistency is entirely moot when they are threatening the rest of us with violence. We simply have no way of knowing if there is a god or what that god wants of us, so to fret or argue about it in this context confuses me. If Jesus said “Get thyself some AR-15s and defend against the Muslim New World Order” I still would say these dudes are asshats and should not be allowed to collect weapons and threaten Muslims. Likewise if Jesus had said “Never commit any violence or bear any arms for any reason at all.” I tend to believe the latter is more along Jesus’ philosophy, but it doesn’t matter when we are talking about how to conduct a secular and diverse democracy.
RareSanity
@Svensker:
As quite a few people have said, it’s Old Testament stuff, which is kind of ironic if they are called “Christian” militia groups. To paraphrase Lewis Black:
“The fundamentalists are always quoting the Old Testament. That’s our [Jewish people] book! You don’t quote our book, we won’t quote yours!”
BTW, writing that reminds me about a question I have had my entire life just never actually asked. It is in anyway insulting to refer to Jewish people as Jews? I know that whenever Jewish people are being derided for one thing or the other, they are always referred to as “the Jews”. Can “Jews” also be used without negative connotations?
Sorry for the tangent…
demimondian
@Cain: Cheap swords were readily available — this *was* Roman occupied Judea, after all. There were centurions everywhere you looked.
Emma
Gilchrist: If I were a mean person I would take your money. I was at another blog (Benen’s?) and someone had a link to a right winger blog that said something exactly like that!
demimondian
@Loneoak: It’s not a matter of wanting to believe in some supernatural sky-ghost, in my case, but that I find myself unable to *not* do so. Culturally and socially, I’d fit in better with my peers if I could manage atheism or, at least, a polite and inoffensive deism. I, personally, find myself unable to not believe.
[shrug] We all have our crosses to bear, I suppose, and many are far worse than mine.
Mark S.
Since we’re having Bible study, I’ve never understood this passage. Is Jesus saying two swords will be enough to take on the Roman army? Or is he saying “Enough of this crazy talk”?
ETA: I guess I missed Ash Can’s earlier comment.
demimondian
@Loneoak: [Now for the serious answer.]
What is the purpose of religious practice? Is it to make God better? No — it is to help us to hear and understand the still small voice by which he speaks to us to the betterment of our world. We should never trust that still small voice all by itself, but we need to focus to hear it at all, among the clatter, clamor, and business of that world.
And one of the sets of exercises we can pursue in order to hear Him is to read the Bible — it is not all truth (see, I’m not a fundamentalist), but it is an important piece of Truth.
JGabriel
Bridgewater Township Official Turns To Militia For Helpvia Loneoak:
Wolverines! Wolverines!
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morzer
@Svensker:
Meet the New Testament, same as the Old Testament.
Fern
@Cain: A cloak is a lot of work too, if you have to start with a sheep! Shearing, cleaning, carding, spinning, dying (maybe), weaving, cutting, sewing…
A production, let me tell you.
demimondian
@Mark S.: Join the club. One standard reading is that two swords is all that the Church will ever need to defend itself. In that reading, like “love your enemies and do good to them who hate you”, it’s a characteristically Jesus-ian oxymoron, meant to break the whole debate off at the pass.
“Arm yourselves for struggle — but your weapons won’t be the ones you expected.”
Kiril
@kay: Here’s comes April 19, look out!
RareSanity
OT: Wholly Crap!
I have been writing software professionally for 15 years, almost completely on PCs or Unix workstations. I have been playing with computers since my Dad brought home an IBM PC when I was like 8 years old.
I just bought my first Mac this weekend, to use with a digital DJ rig because my PC wasn’t cuttin’ it….
WHERE THE HELL HAVE THESE COMPUTERS BEEN HIDING ALL MY LIFE?!?!?
I’m in love, and I’m on a horse…
JGabriel
@demimondian:
You know, a religion founded on that principle might do a lot good: “Okay God, time to shape up and stop making life so damned difficult for everyone.”
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Fern
@Mark S.: The question is not what Jesus was saying, but what the writer was saying, and why he shaped his material in that particular way.
But I don’t know the answer to that either…
Cain
@demimondian:
Ahh.. good point. I forgot the roman military complex :)
cain
Nellcote
Seder @ the White House :)
demimondian
@JGabriel: Well, if you read any history of the Christian God, it does seem that we’ve told him that a lot of times. “You lied to us! See! Right here, it says…”
“Oh. You mean we read it wrong? UNPOSSIBLE!”
Litlebritdifrnt
Haven’t read all the comments so forgive me if this has already been posted
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/politics/28seder.html
Damn Nellcote beat me to it.
demimondian
@Kiril: Sorry, but seriously, I’m scared this year.
Cain
@Fern:
Fair enough. That’s all replaced now with sysadmining.. I spent 15 days straight deploying new servers. I think I feel like the guy/gal/army of people who did the above.
cain
Cain
@RareSanity:
You should have gotten an Ubuntu box. I”ve been part of the desktop project for years, GNOME is very similar design to MacOS.
cain
Chad N Freude
@RareSanity: The short answer is “No, the word Jew is not offensive.” A longer, more nuanced answer is “Some American Jews (distinguished from “Jewish Americans”) have had really bad youthful experiences with anti-Semites that have led them to hear “Jew” as a pejorative.”
demimondian
@Cain: Nah. He should have gotten a REAL computer. My mac has the *true* bumper sticker on it: “My other computer is a data center.”
Brick Oven Bill
Let us again consult the wisdom of our Founders. James Madison teaches us in Federalist 46:
“Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms.”
These guys were pretty smart. We’ve got like 310 million people in these borders. Wikipedia puts the armed forces at right around 2.4 million. This is getting close to one in a hundred.
Barry sought to double this to 4.8 million with the greater than 2.4 million who would report to him, instead of the Constitution, with his civilian defense force. This is a number greater than said possible by James Madison.
The bad news for Barry is that he is left with AmeriCorps. I keep an eye on these guys locally and it is run by a fat Scandinavian chick with nobody who pays attention to her.
The military still reports to the Constitution, last I checked.
Jon H
@RareSanity: A Mac *is* a Unix workstation.
Install the dev tools (free) and have some fun. They’re on the OS DVD. Try the profiler, Shark. You can drill down to the assembly level, and it gives hints where a different instruction or approach could be faster.
RareSanity
@Cain:
I use Ubuntu at work everyday, I write embedded code and some of our products are embedded Linux, split time with a Windows machine.
They are similar much like a Honda Accord and a Mercedes S600 are both sedans.
GNOME has gotten pretty bloated over the years and the fact that even on dual core processors with ungodly amounts of RAM, I still can’t get smooth streaming video is a deal breaker.
Believe me, I have cast dispersions at “Mac fanboys” for the better part of a decade. But, since Saturday afternoon, I have already said five times, “Damn, that was easy/cool”.
Having *nix knowledge makes it even better…
JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill:
Really? You should check again.
Last I looked, the military defends and protects the Constitution, but reports to the President in his role as … oh, what was it called again … wait, now I remember: Commander-In-Chief.
That would be President Obama to you BOB.
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jl
@Svensker:
“I don’t get this “Christian militia” thing. Where do these guys get this “Jesus wants us to go kill folks” stuff?”
Easy to get the idea that Jesus wants us to kill folks. That nasty idea is far more widespread than Christian Identity beliefs.
You just interpret the Bible in an insane way, that is all. It goes like this:
The earthly Jesus was preaching to the Jews, and the Jews rejected His message. Jesus was crucified and then became Christ, savior of all humankind when He comes back at the second coming, Armageddon and all that.
We theologically have a new deal after Jesus was crucified. Out with His earthly teachings, in with the second coming, prophecy, apocalypse.
An informed Xtianist knows that it is a mistake to try to gain salvation through following Jesus’ earthly teachings, that is a dangerous game that might lead to damnation. What you do is accept Christ as your savior, and get ready to be on His team and kick some unbeliever ass when He comes back to earth.
There you go. Easy as 1, 2, 3.
TenguPhule
Shhh!
We’re saving that little surprise for BOB after he’s rounded up with the rest of them and sent to the Happy Fun Camps!
RareSanity
@Jon H:
Well, BSD anyway. :-p
/pedantic
I am really loving it. I can do all the command line goodness I love on my Linux box. Plus, at any time, I can go into full on “do it for me” mode.
I think I caught the vapors when I ran a native GCC the first time.
Brilliant!
Ed Drone
@Johnny B:
… they will be doing what the city is planning anyway — they’re creating parkland/open space because they don’t have the people to populate the buildings they have. Seriously, that’s the plan!
Ed
Brick Oven Bill
You are one hundred percent (100%) wrong JGabriel. Your oath is to a document, not to a man.
kay
@Kiril:
Right. I don’t obsess on it or anything, but I’ve been thinking about it a little lately, because of the level of anger, and how it’s so out of proportion to what has actually happened. I imagine the FBI think about it a little more than I do. I would hope so.
demimondian
@TenguPhule:
You know, I find that particular idiom really creepy.
RareSanity
@Chad N Freude:
Thanks…I couldn’t have asked for a better answer.
mr. whipple
Just watched some of those videos.
What a bunch of whackaloons.
wesosan
This is from the group’s website.
They seem kinda funny.
The beast’s number (humor)
670 – Approximate number of the Beast
DCLXVI – Roman numeral of the Beast
666.0000000 – Number of the High Precision Beast
665.9999954 – Number of the Pentium Beast
0.666 – Number of the Millibeast
/666 – Beast Common Denominator
666 x sq. rt (-1) – Imaginary number of the Beast
1010011010 – Binary of the Beast
1-666 – Area code of the Beast
00666 – Zip code of the Beast
1-900-666-0666 – Live Beasts! Call Now! Only $6.66/minute. (Must be over 18)
$665.95 – Retail price of the Beast
$710.36 – Price of the Beast plus 6.66% state sales tax
$769.95 – Price of the Beast with all accessories and replacement soul
$606.66 – Price of the Beast at Wal-Mart
$566.66 – Price of the Beast at Costco
Phillips 666 – Gasoline of the Beast
Route 666 – Way of the Beast
666 F – Oven temperature for roast Beast
666k – Retirement plan of the Beast
666 mg – Recommended Daily Allowance of Beast
6.66 % – 5 year CD interest rate at First Beast of Hell National Bank ($666 minimum deposit)
6-6-6.xls – Spreadsheet of the Beast
Word 6.66 – Word Processor of the Beast
666i – BMW of the Beast
DSM-666 (revised) – Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the Beast
668 – Next-door neighbor of the Beast
TenguPhule
South Park was simply a few years ahead of its time.
Loneoak
@Brick Oven Bill:
Uh, BOB, I know you’re a spoof, maybe, most of the time, but JGabriel is right. You can’t “report” to a document. While no one swears an oath to the C-i-C, they do report to him in order to carry out their common oath to the Constitution.
jl
Christian Identity probably follows the idea that after the crucifiction there was a new ‘Dispensation’ (as the lingo goes) from God. They think, along with Xtianists that the important thing is to officially accept ‘salvation’ from Christ (which is not quite the same as Jesus and his earthly teachings).
Then on top of that they decide that in the creation, Adam and Eve were white Europeans. And that when in the Bible creation story, some of the lower creatures that were created ‘really’ refer to other races.
Being half Irish, I am not sure if ‘white European’ includes the Irish, and other half being swarthy Ur-Swiss Schwyz Alpine, I am not sure how I fit into the Christian Identity scheme. I will worry about it later, when I have some spare time.
Brick Oven Bill
Allow me to enlighten Loanoak;
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
Fern
@Brick Oven Bill: Yes, the oath is to protect the constitution (not to the constitution). The accountability is to a person – the CinC.
You can’t be accountable TO a piece of paper, but you can be accountable FOR protecting and following it.
ETA: Ok, Loneoak got there first and said it better.
RAM
Things are murky at present. All we know for sure is that this will be good news for John McCain.
JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill:
From the US Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment:
I don’t get it, BOB. Why lie about something so easily checked with a Google search? Do you really just believe obvious lies and bullshit because Glenn Beck says it?
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jl
@TenguPhule:
“We’re saving that little surprise for BOB after he’s rounded up with the rest of them and sent to the Happy Fun Camps!”
Those sound like fun. Do you get to eat corndogs and cotton candy and watch TV everyday?
How do I sign up.?
Or do you get leftovers from the Americorps mess?
jl
Cole is doing the BOB spoof right now, and this is a test. Better get it right or look for a blast from Cole about what losers we all are.
Hope you cut and pasted that right out of the Constitution.
ChrisB
@Litlebritdifrnt: Hootenanny was a music program from the 1960’s. That’s what I was thinking of.
JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill: That’s not the Oath of Enlistment, BOB. It’s the Oath of Office.
Face it, you’re wrong. You lose. All military, upon enlistment, take an oath to obey the President of the United States.
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kay
@mr. whipple:
The militia solidarity seems to have been vastly over-rated. They couldn’t wait to turn on each other.
How much you want to bet there are no rank and file in any of these groups? Everyone is a “leader”.
demimondian
@kay: Ironically, every file had a leader. He was in the first rank.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
@Brick Oven Bill: @Brick Oven Bill:
Be afraid BoB. Think Hippies with guns.
ChrisB
@Xenos: Yup, that’s me: the Hootenanny I was thinking of was the televised music show from the 60’s.
Loneoak
@demimondian:
Yes, I get what you say about your faith not being about a supernatural sky-daddy. In my moments of snark, I would say something like that, but of course we all know it is more complicated for someone with a mature grasp of human and natural complexities. My point was more along the lines of this: the internal consistency of any religious text or belief system has zero bearing on whether these morons are justified in their actions. It doesn’t matter what is meant by the word “sword” when the Bible reports that Jesus said it when it comes to discussing how to live our lives here and now in a secular democracy. I’m just generally frustrated with atheists and sane religious folks alike that turn to Biblical exegesis when trying to address the insanity of religious nuts. Jesus could explicitly state their actions are wrong, their actions are right, or put on a sundress and eat and pineapple; none of those states would have any bearing on these asshat’s culpability because we don’t judge culpability on the basis of what Jesus said.
Martin
@RareSanity: Yeah, it’s pretty awesome stuff, but it’s been a long road from pre-OS X through the Intel transition.
Get a copy of VMWare Fusion on there in a Bootcamp partition and you can do anything on earth. Welcome to the cult. Just remember to tithe 5% of your salary to Apple.
Cain
@demimondian:
Ha! Works for me. :)
cain
wesosan
Watching Hutaree videos now. This has got to be a spoof, right? Playing militia warrior games with Sisters of Mercy as the soundtrack. This is teh awesome!
tom.a
This will be a 2 (at best) day news story and will never be a page one headline. Why? 1) They’re not muslim. 2) An airplane isn’t involved (little chance for exciting video footage of destruction).
Cain
@RareSanity:
Yeah, I can understand that. From a purely “it must work” then I completely agree with you. We need to improve that if that is the deal. Are you talking about flash or something else? Flash is not particularly a good neighbor with open source.
That all said, I haven’t had any problems with smooth streaming video, but then I’m not streaming mpeg straight or anything like that.
cain
jeffreyw
Damn, step away for a minute to make a cheesecake and the thread runs away from me.
Brick Oven Bill
Well, we now have the Balloon Juice readership on record supporting the rule of men in place of the rule of law. This is what is it, but be careful as like one third (1/3) of the populace supported what was just passed. And these are the dummies.
Then there was that whole Leonidas thing. We will see where this ends.
By the way, I am the Hippie.
morzer
@Brick Oven Bill:
And I am the Walrus
JimF
BoB
To be more accurate you should list both oaths.
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
RareSanity
@Martin:
I can’t believe I have become that which I have mocked for, lo these many years…
Hello, my name is RareSanity and I am a Mac fanboy…
What sent me over the top is that I bought a laser printer last week that had networking built-in. I went to install it, the computer discovered it, no surprise there. But, when I double clicked on it and thought, “Dang, I forgot to download the drivers”, a window pops up saying that “the driver for this printer has been located online (I forget what the Mac “update” site is called), would you like to download and install it?”
I clicked ‘yes’ and damn if I wasn’t printing less than a minute later…I wept…it was beautiful.
Cain
@JGabriel:
This is the reason that he comes here. It’s because he can sprout bullshit and people come and correct his bullshit and he gets a lot of pleasure out of it. It’s poking at a snake and being amused at it’s response. Dork. I also think he’s more than one person.
cain
dr. luba
@Loneoak: It’s west Michigan. Land of Jesus and Amway. Say no more.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
@morzer: FTW!
Nellcote
Guess where the founder of the Michigan Militia turned up.
demimondian
@Loneoak: Hmm. Can you give me the citation to the verse where He says to put on a sundress and eat pineapple? I’d love to convince FDDD that she is religiously mandated to take a trip to Hawaii…
As to the rest, of course, you’re right. These folks may or may not be “truly Christian” — tell me if you know what that means — but their religiosity has little to do with any book that *I’ve* ever read; they seem to have picked out texts to justify what they wanted to be true, and then left the rest on the floor.
Of course, that’s what we all do, at the end of the day…
Fern
@jeffreyw So – where did you find those radioactive cherries?
FormerSwingVoter
@demimondian:
Based on the actions and words of those who claim to know what that means, I think I have a definition:
Truly Christian – adj. – completely ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ
soonergrunt
@Brick Oven Bill: And that document states that the sitting president is my commander in chief you stupid fuck.
Cain
@RareSanity:
I did too, but then I was an Amiga fanboy and man, that was the awesome. System 6 and system 7 was such a piece of shit it deserved mocking.
OSX is a damn good piece of engineering I give you that. I have a macbook pro for work so I know. I still love my linux box more though. Partially I think it’s because well, if you hit “about GNOME…” my name’s on it as is a lot of friends I’ve had over the years. So community is a big thing. Secondly, it’s just exciting come up with new ideas on the components you built with.
Use it functionally? who does that? :-) I still end up using text files for all that. I dont need no stinkin gui!
cain
MikeJ
@Fern: Maraschino-land, I think. Rainiers are the one true cherry.
JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill:
Oooh, BOB’s all pissy and snarky because we quoted the oath of enlistment to him.
No, BOB we did not go “on record supporting the rule of men in place of the rule of law.”
We went on record pointing out to you that THE CONSTITUTION gives the President the role of “Commander-In-Chief”, and that the Oath of Enlistment includes an oath to obey the President.
It’s kind of fun to watch your brain explode over the cognitive dissonance you’re experiencing, though.
Actually, it’s more like 50%. Your friends at Fox forgot to tell you: when they said half the country opposed the bill, that a quarter of the people opposing it, about 12% total, wanted a stronger, more liberal bill. And they’re mostly glad it passed, calling it: “a good first step“.
Only about 35%-40%, roughly 3/8ths, oppose it from the right.
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Fern
@MikeJ: That is true. And last year we didn’t get ANY of them in the middle-sized prairie city in which I live. I was ever so sad.
JimF
Cain @170
*High Five* Fellow Amiga fanboy!
Fern
@demimondian:
The Bible is extremely versatile that way and an excellent vehicle for projection.
Brick Oven Bill
I had forgotten the particulars JimF. But it is interesting that the officers do not pledge an allegiance to the President, and that that particular pledge was limited to the Enlisted Men.
Smart men established this country.
Busted, down on Bourbon Street;
Knocked down, just like a bowling pin; (Barry wasn’t throwing);
Knocked out, it gets to wearing thin;
They just won’t let you be.
RareSanity
@Cain:
(as Capt. Kirk) FLAAAAAAAASH!
Yeah, mainly problems with Flash and yes, Flash is a horrible neighbor.
I know that there are tweaks out there that improve it quite a bit. But, every time something gets updated, you have to re-tweak.
Like I said, I stumbled into this unknowingly. I just heard that the issues I was having with my Serato controller were unheard of running on a Mac. So, I bought a used Macbook thinking I would just use it when I was DJing.
The rest is history…
P.S.
Curse that Steve Jobs. I have already started a fund to try and get a Macbook Pro. It may take a year to actually get one, but have it I must!
TenguPhule
100% Wrong BOB. The law is on Obama’s side, while the “rule of men” is being broken down one idiotic militia at a time.
GregB
Glenn Beckistan is under attack.
Gas up the Cutlass.
MikeJ
@TenguPhule: Rule of law? Rule of man? BoB is for the rule of Pie!
TenguPhule
You forgot the part that comes…right after the part you quoted.
BOB, pathetic even by underpants gnome standards.
jeffreyw
@Fern: Those are cherry bombs.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
@Brick Oven Bill:
And this is the most important part, whereas orders contrary to this, from the Presnit or an higher military rank must be lawful, and if not, the soldier is actually duty bound to not follow such an illegal order.
Nellcote
@MikeJ:
Bings are better.
TenguPhule
Book of the FSM, Chapter 7 Verse 69: And thou shalt eat the fruit of the pineapple with funny umbrellas over it and splash on Ala Moana Beach with the family for low discount prices.
JGabriel
Alaska Daily News via Nellcote:
That’s kind of talk is gonna get people calling Beck a sociaIist.
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demimondian
@Nellcote: I’ll take either one, but cherry season is still several months away.
RareSanity
@Cain:
You are on the GNOME team?
Sir, you have my utmost respect, and I mean that sincerely.
I still like to show off my VI fu to the interns…so I’m with ya there.
My favorite line, “Why the heck would you wait for the IDE to load just to change that? Watch this, rookie.”
They hate that, call it geek hazing…
OriGuy
I find it hilarious that this thread has diverged into discussion about two religions, Christianity and Operating Systems.
JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill:
All officers have to take the oath of enlistment on, you know, enlistment. The oath to obey the president doesn’t get rescinded upon promotion, you doofus.
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demimondian
@OriGuy: Oh, you noticed that, too?
By the way…EMACS!
gregw
Does anyone mind if I put little music on?
tyrese
nonsense. I have it on good authority from Glenn Reynolds that there’s no evidence that Obama is not an anti-semite. Clearly, these pictures were forged.
Nellcote
@demimondian:
But with asparagus and strawberries in the stores, it can’t be long now.
The Main Gauche of Mild Reason
Is anyone else impressed that BoB can stay in character all the time?
gregw
Hmm linky no work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQYDvQ1HH-E
JimF
BoB
http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm is a good link. One thing to remember that historically the same oath applied to military and civilian national officers. This is because both are considered direct agents of the government.
The Enlisted Oath is different because they are not considered direct agents of the government but rather Citizens placed under a specific oath for unique duties.
mr. whipple
@The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:
Stupid?
Fern
@OriGuy: snicker
Martin
@RareSanity:
Certified UNIX 03
/corrects your pedantic
demimondian
@Martin: It doesn’t matter. EMACS works under all of them. And GDB sucks under all of them.
Take your pick.
Pigs & Spiders
Man, I hate getting to these threads so late, I miss all the good BoB stuff.
Oh, yeah, and OS X all the way. ;)
RareSanity
@OriGuy:
Isn’t Christianity just an operating system for people?
Although, there are quite a few Christians that have a virus…
RareSanity
@Martin:
(hangs head in shame)
(soft voice) Duly noted…
Martin
@OriGuy: Only the Mac is a religion. Windows is a lost soul searching for purpose in the universe.
Pigs & Spiders
@Martin: Mac OS X is Buddhism, Windows is Orthodox Judaism
demimondian
@Martin: Not quite. Windows is a lost soul assisting the Universe in finding its purpose. Mac is a religion which claims to provide that purpose.
Cain
@RareSanity:
I don’t do much coding, but marketing and some of the other stuff I do. These days I just snark on IRC. I’m the proverbial “water cooler guy”.
Geek hazing is when you leave your account open in the university and people screw with it and you have to figure out what the hell they did to your unix account. :)
That said, there is nothing satisfying than doing scripts that saves you hours of work. My project management is all in scripts. Don’tw ork well with manager types though, one day I’ll learn how to use those excel modules to create spreadsheets on the fly!
cain
Cain
@OriGuy:
I find it hilarious that this thread has diverged into discussion about two religions, Christianity and Operating Systems.
RareSanity
@Pigs & Spiders:
More like Scientology…
morzer
@Pigs & Spiders:
Actually, Windows is Catholicism. Creaking, old, run by a mysterious group of mutually suspicious men, and demanding that everything be taken on faith as defined by incomprehensible but infallible pronouncements.
TenguPhule
Then Macs would be the Mormans.
Pigs & Spiders
@morzer: Yeah but Bill Gates doesn’t molest small children…
wag
Hutaree wedding pics from their myspace page
Wow. Just Wow.
RareSanity
@TenguPhule:
Woohoo! Polygamy for everyone!
I knew this Mac thing would be good…
tyrese
No, the nearby militias had years ago decided the Hutaree were creeps and weren’t allies. Which was, let’s face it, an intelligent move on their part.
RareSanity
@wag:
Wait, is that a (bad) camouflage wedding cake?
Unspoofable…
Anne Laurie
Didn’t you check the comments on the linked article?
“It isn’t without stark notice that once again we have a Liberal Fascist regime in the WH and the first thing they do is send out the goons to track down any and all potential opposition to their totalitarian state.
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Whether this militia created fear to the Obama-aniacs isn’t the issue. Unless the militia was threatening the government it had no reason to interfere with the peaceful assembly of that community.
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Remember…in Germany WWII when they came for the people that the NAZIs didn’t like you said nothing, then they came for the people who were neighbors and you said nothing, and then they came for those left and their was no one to stand up to save those from the tyranny of the police state. but what police officials don’t realize it never ends with just the militias, or the conservatives, or the gun owners, or the Jews, it ends with the police being put against firing walls and shot by other government officials. that is the history of “Progressive” movements around the world.
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We didn’t learn a thing at “Ruby Ridge” nor at “Waco Branch-Davidians”. And the little Cuban boy that was sent back to live in tyranny by our own government under a democrat president…to me is the turning point that turned our country into a complete police state.”
Also, since this doesn’t seem to have been mentioned already: There’s been a LARGE Arab-American community in certain Detroit suburbs for going on half a century. When we left Michigan in the late 1980s, the second and third generation Chaldeans and Lebanese were moving from the semi-cities (Dearborn) to the exurbs and even the rural areas, like every other American immigrant group before them. And the red-of-neck rural good old boys took this “invasion” with all the grace you could imagine… OH MAH LARD DWAYNE IT’S THE RAG-HEDS! Somehow I doubt things have improved much on that front since September 2001…
Pigs & Spiders
@wag: Those are some women only the Huntaree could love…
OriGuy
The open thread earlier is moribund, but someone there mentioned breakaway Catholic churches. Several years ago, I went to a wedding where the priest mentioned “our tradition”. It was a wedding of a co-worker, and none of us knew his bride well. During the reception, one of my co-workers asked the priest what he meant. He said they were part of the Union of Utrecht, one of the groups that make up the Old Catholic Church. They split with the RCC in the 1800s over papal infallibility.
According to Wikipedia, many of them ordain women and perform same-sex marriages.
Brick Oven Bill
I have just read the article. Holy smokes. Balloon Juice has long predicted that Islam would have a rendezvous with alcohol and the Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences.
One of the Hutaree members called a Michigan militia leader for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member — who is of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats — declined to offer help.
I am now going to sleep as tomorrow I shall be compelled to navigate through fork-lift wielding women.
Mark S.
@wag:
That was bizarre.
That was also the first time I’ve gotten motion sickness from looking at photos. I hope whoever was taking the photos is more steady with a gun.
Citizen_X
@Anoniminous: Not only that, but nobody’s said this:
HUTAREEEEEENS!
Anne Laurie
@wag:
Well, I got married wearing a theatrical costumer’s reconstruction of a Dutch Renaissance outfit, by the state-sanctioned-for-one-day-only authority of a dear friend who is also an Archpriest in the Covenant of the Goddess. (In our defence, this was back when we had to free-lance the whole production; kids these days can buy ‘medieval package weddings’ at theme-park castles.) So I really can’t rag too much on other peoples’ sense of what’s appropriate in public ritual enactment.
wag
@RareSanity:
Yes is. Yummy, no?
I can only imagine a marbled cake with chocolate, lime and vanilla. although a mix of cow s***, mud and white cake might do, as well.
Mark S.
@OriGuy:
That’s interesting. I’ve never heard of them before.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
@Brick Oven Bill:
Put down the glue BoB.
Ash Can
@Loneoak:
Oh, absolutely, and I also recognize that a non-believer has no reason to care about consistencies or lack thereof. It’s just that, for a believer such as me, not only are these yahoos the asshats you describe, they’re heretical and blasphemous asshats on top of it, which makes them irksome on top of being appallingly dangerous.
wag
@Anne Laurie:
I bet the guests at your wedding weren’t armed with AK-47’s, and I’m sure the food was fantastic, if your weekly food posts are to be believed (and I know that they are).
wag
@Mark S.:
…not if they were aiming at me.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
My Hippie militia fires good vibes on full auto.
mclaren
@Svensker:
Prior to the Reformation, the Catholic church was a militant violent organization that conquered countries, condemned entire populations to death, etc. Before the Reformation the Christians in Europe behaved pretty much the same way radical fundamentalist Islamists do today — they advocated killing all unbelievers, torturing and murdering heretics, enslaving whole populations. The Pope regularly invaded countries, made war, levied taxes, the whole nine yards.
The militant fundamentalist Christians are simply returning to their roots.
morzer
@Brick Oven Bill:
Damn tough women, Bill. Picking up those fork-lifts must take some serious muscle. I can see why you feel emasculated and oppressed. Have you considered forming a group to bang drums in the woods and recite manly poetry?
AngusTheGodOfMeat
Hmm. Support and defend. Nothing about trying to interpret and enforce.
Bear faith and allegiance. In other words, be a good citizen and obey the law, which explicitly means …
Obey the orders of the President … and officers …. pretty self explanatory.
Bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution, by obeying the orders of the President. Makes sense to me. Funny how it all hangs together.
Soldier BOB can believe whatever he wants to believe about the Constitution, privately, but he is sworn to obey the orders of the President. I mean, the orders of Barack Obama, at the present time. Pretty simple.
DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)
@demimondian:
VI VI VI: The editor of the Beast. ;)
@OriGuy:
Fanatics are fanatics but at least the OS worshipers haven’t started killing each other. I’ll hang with that group any day, they’re far less bloody. :)
Besides that, the OS guys know faith doesn’t get you anywhere when it comes to computers. ;)
Mike in NC
Yeah, I recall working in an office (US Customs Service, to be exact) full of whacko contractors who were shitting themselves blind over that non-event.
Maybe a few of them later joined Blackwater after the Iraq invasion so they could torture filthy mud people.
Kiril
@demimondian: @kay: Yeah, me and a few of my friends old enough to remember the 90s are pretty convinced something’s going down this year. If we’re lucky it’ll sputter and fail or the FBI will nab ’em before they do anything. Or maybe we’re just being paranoid. We’ll see.
Anne Laurie
@wag: Corrected for truth: Those are not “my” food posts but TaMara’s (Bad Horse’s Filly) — I just post her fine work. But, yes, the food at my wedding was delicious, which we ensured by hiring a caterer who knew what they were doing!
DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)
@The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:
No. BoB posting here is like bad fruit in a store. You’re browsing the produce section, enjoying the looks and scents and then you come upon BoB. BoB is a particularly malodorous, extremely ugly fruit (picture a turd with a stem on it) and if you take a bite of it you may go insane.
The odor is enough to keep most sensible people away from it.
ominira
Saw this comment on the hutaree site:
“Re: What does “HUTAREE” mean?
Posted by: yourlord ()
Date: March 28, 2010 02:23PM
HUTAREE stands for “Hellishly Ugly Toothless Aryans Requiring End-time Enemas.”
BethanyAnne
@Cain: I loves my Mac. I’ve found that at the end of the day, I simply don’t have the headache that Windows gives me. Really interested in the Ubuntu project, tho.
Cain
@BethanyAnne:
Being amongst them is sometimes better than teh software. Being among young idealistic people keeps me from being cynical and unlike most movements they own the code and can take it anywhere their mind decides they want to go. That’s some great stuff.
cain
BethanyAnne
@Cain: Aye, that sounds pretty nifty. I gotta get a better hobby than Wow one of these days.
AngusTheGodOfMeat
@General Egali Tarian Stuck:
What were these haters hating when the Cheney administration was getting us into a useless war with Iraq, costing us $900b and killing busloads of Iraqis for nothing?
Who really thinks that this newfound basis for phony rage on their part is going to amount to any lasting or permanent effect on our politics?
All that is necessary to neutralize them is to show up at the polls and outnumber them, a la 2008.
JGabriel
Hutaree via Anne Laurie:
I know it’s late and probably no one will ever see this but:
I hereby nominate, for inclusion in the database of rotating Balloon Juice subheaders, “It never ends with just the gun owners or the Jews”
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Mum
@JGabriel:
I listened to Alan Colmes’s interview of last week with Vanderboegh, and all I can say is if Vanderboegh finds the Hutarees “despicable,” then we should probably be very happy that the federal authorities paid them a visit.
Mum
@kay:
The guy that they went looking for in Indiana (but whom they had to go after into Illinois) lives in Whiting, not Hammond, as has been reported in the papers. Whiting is in the northwest corner of Indiana, on the border with Illinois, and the main thing it is known for is that it is a town that prides itself on living up to its name, and I’m not talking about the fish. I don’t know how they have gotten away with it for so long, but they work really hard to keep Whiting as white as possible. I didn’t think there was much militia activity of any kind there, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there were.
Mum
@RareSanity:
Jews call themselves Jews all the time. What? You want I should say “of the Jewish persuasion”?
Pasquinade
“FBI Raids Tea Party Compound”
DPirate
Neither. Christian survivalists are a different breed. These are people who firmly believe that civilisation is on the verge of collapse and promote a back-to-the-land self-sufficiency. Unlike the hippies’ retreat, their paradigm includes major weapons stockpiles. However, the mindset is not christian zionism, which might include attack (upon govt or whatever in order to ‘hurry-along’ the apocalypse), but defense. If civilisation were to collapse into barbarism, I expect they would need them (their weapons).
This is the first time I’ve heard of them forming an actual armed group (provided they are actually organizing into a militia-group and they aren’t simply being branded as such by the FBI and that is being regurgitated by the media). If they are, then it’s my guess that the actual center is formed about a church organisation of some kind. Cooperation with government could easily fit into their paradigm in some circumstances, after the collapse, of course, since they, you, me and everyone else knows govt isn’t friendly to private weaponry or the forms of self-sufficiency that these people are apt to follow. I’m talking about home-schooling, community medical practices, livestock without veterinary care, enforced stringent moral codes, whatever.
I suppose the government will toss a few of the men into prison for owning M16s, and the community will dissolve when their families have to move away. Which sucks. I could be wrong, though, and they are zionist-types.
Svensker
@priscianus jr:
Yeeps.
snarkout
@RareSanity:
Now download QuickSilver (FOSS) or LaunchBar (shareware), and prepare to have your mind exploded. (Also, if you’re a Linux guy, you’ll want one of the package managers — MacPorts (port), fink, or an interesting newish one called brew. And MacVim!) I’ve got more recommendations, but that’ll do ya to start.
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