General Egali Tarian Stuck - March 18, 2010 | 7:11 pm · Link

Well, it isn’t yet April fools day when he can claim the truth and it was all a big joke (lie) on us.

demkat620 - March 18, 2010 | 7:13 pm · Link

Becuase the media wants a strict left – right debate.

The horserace is all they care about.

mcc - March 18, 2010 | 7:13 pm · Link

Why is he “sticking to his guns” on a complete damned lie?

Is Hardball pointing out it’s a lie?

If the answer is “no”... that’s why.

jrg - March 18, 2010 | 7:13 pm · Link

Because there is no penalty for lying. People who believe it will remember it, people who don’t believe it will forget about it in 15 minutes.

debbie - March 18, 2010 | 7:14 pm · Link

These talk shows have just gotten better: Christine Amanpour will be taking over “This Week”:

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpoin.....on-abc.php

Bet she won’t be taking any guff from President McCain.

Fergus Wooster - March 18, 2010 | 7:15 pm · Link

He’s answering to Doug Coe, or the Archdiocese, or both.

Neither have shown any shame about lying about he bill’s contents.

Also, echo Max – he’s a misogynist prick and hates nuns.

SIA - March 18, 2010 | 7:16 pm · Link

Because Chris Matthews is still trying to find his balance between his good little Catholic boy and his faux-liberal personalities. He can’t leave the subject alone. Hopefully he’ll get crazy Uncle Pat on there to resolve it for him.

bkny - March 18, 2010 | 7:19 pm · Link

tweety’s a very good catholic boy. wanna bet he hasn’t had a call or two from his local bishop.

General Egali Tarian Stuck - March 18, 2010 | 7:19 pm · Link

The C street boys will continue to love him, and likely will follow through with the promised wingnut welfare for trying to scuttle HCR, minus 95 percent for failure. Though his deal with the devil is still due in full.

Chuck Butcher - March 18, 2010 | 7:21 pm · Link

The fact that it allows you a subsidy that you then add to does include a bit of a wrinkle. He is taking the money thing to an extent that is ludicrous, but certainly is not an out and out lie. If taken to the same extent, making abortionists out of taxpayers, that makes his beloved Bishops pedophiles molesting choir/altar boys. It is less of a stretch in their case since they covered it up…

SIA - March 18, 2010 | 7:22 pm · Link

Give Stupak a copy of The National Catholic Reporter

Congress, and its Catholics, should say yes to health care reform. We do not reach this conclusion as easily as one might think. There are, to be sure, grave problems with the bill the House will consider in the next few days. Nonetheless, the choice Congress faces is between the status quo and change—and the current bill is a profoundly preferable step in the direction of positive change.

http://ncronline.org/print/17458

Probably doesn’t listen to them either.

Mark S. - March 18, 2010 | 7:25 pm · Link

1. Money is printed by the United States Treasury.

2. This money can be used to purchase abortions.

3. Stop printing money!

demo woman - March 18, 2010 | 7:25 pm · Link

Does Stupak want to do away with HSA’s? Wouldn’t that be supporting abortion.

Allan - March 18, 2010 | 7:27 pm · Link

What has Stupak gotten away with, exactly?

He’s gone from unknown putz to toxic waste.

Everyone knows he’s a Family mole.

He’s got organized labor, his #1 source of campaign contributions, nipping at his heels on this vote.

He’s got a primary challenger. To which he responds by singing the praises of Focus on the Anus.

He’s got people like me all over America who are actively conspiring to end his career.

I’m loving this.

The Populist - March 18, 2010 | 7:29 pm · Link

Funny how Makewi has stopped spreading the lies on this issue.

Hyde will NOT be overridden. Stupak needs to STFU.

The Populist - March 18, 2010 | 7:30 pm · Link

I think Stupak is getting pressure from his C street roomies? This is their talking point. Any rightie that sells this angle is lying and they know it.

Lev - March 18, 2010 | 7:30 pm · Link

Keep tightening that noose, Bart…

Robin G. - March 18, 2010 | 7:31 pm · Link

Stupak is on Hardball and just blatantly saying that the HCR bill allows for abortion and over rides Hyde. That is just an out and out lie. Why is he “sticking to his guns” on a complete damned lie?

Because Stupak is an attention whore. That’s all. It has nothing to do with beliefs, principles, political hopes. It’s not even about money. It’s all because he’s an attention whore.

Set him in his time out chair and leave him to kick the wall all alone.

Stroszek - March 18, 2010 | 7:34 pm · Link

@Brick Oven Bill: The lack of access to crucial pharmaceuticals evidenced by your posts only underlines the urgent need for health care reform.

schrodinger's cat - March 18, 2010 | 7:36 pm · Link

@jeffreyw: What about the nuns though?
Fajita looks nutritious and delicious, want!

Fergus Wooster - March 18, 2010 | 7:37 pm · Link

@jeffreyw: Nice. I’ll get back to you when I start cooking my pork roasting joints (my butchering pics don’t seem to have the same effect).

Looks delicious.

Grace Nearing - March 18, 2010 | 7:39 pm · Link

@LT: I like to substitute the word “shoes” for “abortion.” So the Hyde Amendment bans the use of federal funds to buy shoes and Stupak’s bizarro interpretation becomes:

Obviously she can’t redeem her foodstamps at Payless, but the dollars are basically still interchangible, and if it weren’t for those welfare programs she’d never put together enough money to buy shoes.

Just Some Fuckhead - March 18, 2010 | 7:41 pm · Link

Stupak backwards is Kaputs.

Brick Oven Bill - March 18, 2010 | 7:42 pm · Link

The lies that covered up the bailout of the corrupt Fannie-Freddie regime, Rahm, Director, have been highlighted by neither political party, and not brought up in the press.

This fraud will end up costing well in excess of $1 trillion, or CBO’s reported cost, cough, cough, of the entire health care bill. Fannie-Freddie is like the biggest fraud perpetrated against the taxpayer yet.

But, other than Balloon Juice, there is silence, despite Pete’s letter provided above. Just a promotion for Pete.

Why is this?

Joel - March 18, 2010 | 7:44 pm · Link

Stupak’s alter-(big)ego.

Lev - March 18, 2010 | 7:49 pm · Link

@Dave C: He won’t bolt, for the same reason that old Zell and Holy Joe never did. Bart Stupak is a dishonest, angry, manipulative fundamentalist power-politician. This is evidently a novelty to the media because not too many Democrats fit that profile. As a Republican, he’d fit right in. He’d be unexceptional in every way. And he probably wouldn’t be able to win with the unions against him.

Texas Dem - March 18, 2010 | 7:51 pm · Link

Nobody cares about Stupak any more, or at least they shouldn’t. His vaunted anti-abortion block is melting away like the spring thaw. And I think he knows that, which is why he’s sounding so hysterical. I also think he knows he’s a dead man in the Democratic party whether the bill passes or not. If the bill fails, he’s got a lot of angry Dems who will be out for blood. If the bill passes, he’s on the wrong side of the biggest piece of legislation since the days of the Great Society, and no one in this White House is going to return his calls. Sleep well, Bart. Pleasant dreams.

geg6 - March 18, 2010 | 7:53 pm · Link

Both Steny Hoyer and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FSM bless her heart) were on right after and they both reiterated that this bill follows Hyde and there is no there there. And in a tepid defense of Tweety, he did point out all the anti-choice support from Catholic organizations and that his fellow Dem anti-abortion compatriots in the House are falling away from him. So there was that. But Tweety was stellar against the AFP guy. Just tore him up in classic Tweety style, hammering him again and again with a single question that he, of course wouldn’t and couldn’t answer.

bemused - March 18, 2010 | 7:59 pm · Link

@LT:
I’ve never seen this website before…very interesting.

Adrienne - March 18, 2010 | 8:03 pm · Link

@Texas Dem: Exactly. He can yell this shit from the mountaintops if that’s what he wants to do, as long as he’s doing it by himself. He can vote against the bill – as long as he doesn’t derail it, I don’t care. And that’s really what gives Bart Stupak a sad… that we no longer care about him now that the reps he supposedly spoke for are saying that they’ll vote for the bill. Bye bye Stupie

The Populist - March 18, 2010 | 8:07 pm · Link

@Stroszek:

And don’t forget anti-science types like B.O.B. Math and science are courses the GOP must have slept through.

AxelFoley - March 18, 2010 | 8:11 pm · Link

@rikyrah:

waiting for an IRS investigation into who subsidized his rent. he needs to go somewhere, sit down, shut the fuck up.

I love it when you talk dirty, rikyrah.

LT - March 18, 2010 | 8:16 pm · Link

@Grace Nearing: Even baby shoes!

@bemused: I actually never had either. I was looking for Maddow’s explanation, basically the same, and found that.

The Populist - March 18, 2010 | 8:19 pm · Link

@Texas Dem:

Kinda like when Larry Craig would NOT stop talking about his bust at the airport bathroom or Blagoyevich and his constant defensive posturing when the shit storm came down on him. The smart ones STFU.

bemused - March 18, 2010 | 8:24 pm · Link

@The Populist:
Mark Sanford had to be the worst. It was excruciating but he just kept blathering on & on & on.

Tlazolteotl - March 18, 2010 | 8:30 pm · Link

Wow, Rob Roser nails it in one!

And just to add to that, never underestimate how much some of these people hate women.

Patriarchy? You’re soaking in it!

SiubhanDuinne - March 18, 2010 | 8:53 pm · Link

@bemused #70: saw a short item that the SC ethics board have fined Sanford $74,000.

CynDee - March 18, 2010 | 9:00 pm · Link

Why is he “sticking to his guns” on a complete damned lie?

Adolf Hitler: What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.

El Cid - March 18, 2010 | 9:24 pm · Link

Via the GOS

State of the health care debate: Talk radio attacks an 11-year old
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By Les Blumenthal | McClatchy Newspapers...
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WASHINGTON — Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy’s account of his mother’s death as a “sob story” exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a “kiddie shield” to defend their health care legislation.
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Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he’s taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride…
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...”Now this is unseemly, exploitative, an 11-year-old boy being forced to tell his story all over just to benefit the Democrat Party and Barack Obama,” [Rush] Limbaugh said on March 12, according to a transcript his show. “And, I would say this to Marcelas Owens: ‘Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn’t kick in until 2014.’”...
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...”That’s the George Soros-funded Obama-approved group fighting for health care,” [Glenn] Beck said. “Since all of the groups are so concerned and involved now, may I ask where were you when Marcelas’ mother was vomiting blood?”
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[Michelle] Malkin dismissed Marcelas Owens as “one of Obama’s youngest lobbyists” who has been “goaded by a left-wing activist grandmother [who watched her daughter die],” promoted by Murray and has become a regular on the “pro-Obamacare circuit.”
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Malkin also suggested there were other programs that could have helped Tifanny Owens, adding, “It’s not clear that additional doctors’ visits in the subsequent months would have prevented her death.”
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Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there’s no cure, it can be treated.
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The treatments [for Tiffany Owens, the assistant manager of a fast food restaraunt] can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be “consistent and constant,” said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association…

Follow link for more lurid details.

Tonal Crow - March 18, 2010 | 10:23 pm · Link

@Joel:

@Mnemosyne: I love how the spokeswoman for the group that issued the ad, Sarah Longwell, is (was?) a prominent lobbyist for the American Beverage Institute, which: opposes sobriety checkpoints, efforts to make alcohol-sensors standard equipment in cars, and alcohol tax increases.

Is there a good reason why I should not oppose sobriety checkpoints and, much more so, vehicle alcohol sensors? Is there, like, any portion of the 4th Amendment—and privacy generally—that those who favor these things are not willing to sacrifice for a promise of improved safety?

Jeffro - March 18, 2010 | 10:50 pm · Link

Re the Stupak quote and Lincoln too: A truly note-taking/lesson-learning Dem party would already be out in front with ads noting exactly this in the appropriate districts/states.

WHO WILL BE THE NEXT ZELL: OUT OF TOUCH and OUT OF TIME?

Bruce Webb - March 18, 2010 | 11:33 pm · Link

Why?

Running for Governor and doesn’t have to give a shit about burning bridges in the House.

Thanks for answering simple questions can be forwarded in cash form.

DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal) - March 19, 2010 | 12:18 am · Link

Shorter Bart Stupak: I care more about saving potential human life than I do about saving real humans who are actually suffering and struggling to stay alive.

Once you are born these people couldn’t care less about you, they only want to protect you when you were an ‘if’. Now that you are real and alive, good luck buddy because you are on your own. I wish some Sister Mary would take a steel ruler to Bart’s knuckles. Then she could beat his ass with it. Bart only needs to talk to men about womens abortion issues because it’s a man’s world out there and he needs to protect the women from themselves.

It’s a wonder that the Earned Income Credit ever passed. I am sure that some woman somewhere took that money and had an abortion with it.

LGRooney - March 19, 2010 | 6:49 am · Link

Because if HCR passes, the GOP will release those pictures of a drunk Stupak leaving an abortion clinic for transvestite donkeys somewhere near Tijuana.

I can’t figure it out.

Gatsby - March 19, 2010 | 12:47 pm · Link

Stubborn Stupak’s Stuck on Stuporous Stupidity.

OT: I had the great joy of drinking my coffee out of my newly arrived Tunch Big Cup (“The Revolution Will Be Supervised”) this morning. Thanks, John, for such a great idea. My feline overlords are very jaleous!