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		<title>By: Mover</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/13/whose-veterans-benefits-would-jesus-steal/#comment-1647297</link>
		<dc:creator>Mover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is a fun thread.  Normally you have to go to the Huffington Post to find this much self-fellating going on. 

Seriously, did anyone actually read anymore on the issue?  No.  OK, let me help.

While I agree that it looks pretty awful in a PR sense of awful, when you read an entire article on the matter, as I did, you may find that the use of the money was OK&#039;d by the Department of Veterans Affairs.  

Maybe you should be railing against the DVA?

&quot;Michael Pugliese, deputy commissioner of the Department of Veterans Affairs, said Pawlenty&#039;s policy adviser contacted him about using Buckley&#039;s services, and Pugliese said he thought it was an opportunity to use her contacts to reach out to some of the more than 60 percent of veterans who do not seek benefits.&quot;  
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/87533432.html?page=2&amp;c=y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a fun thread.  Normally you have to go to the Huffington Post to find this much self-fellating going on.</p>
<p>Seriously, did anyone actually read anymore on the issue?  No.  OK, let me help.</p>
<p>While I agree that it looks pretty awful in a PR sense of awful, when you read an entire article on the matter, as I did, you may find that the use of the money was OK&#8217;d by the Department of Veterans Affairs.</p>
<p>Maybe you should be railing against the <span class="caps">DVA</span>?</p>
<p>&#8220;Michael Pugliese, deputy commissioner of the Department of Veterans Affairs, said Pawlenty&#8217;s policy adviser contacted him about using Buckley&#8217;s services, and Pugliese said he thought it was an opportunity to use her contacts to reach out to some of the more than 60 percent of veterans who do not seek benefits.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/87533432.html?page=2&#038;c=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/pol.....2&#038;c=y</a></p>
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		<title>By: drillfork</title>
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		<dc:creator>drillfork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the fundies are freaked out by Mormonism (even though they each share such a deep and vast hatred of teh Gay), but I don&#039;t see any way Romney isn&#039;t the Republican candidate in &#039;12. He&#039;s just too perfect a Republican in every other respect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the fundies are freaked out by Mormonism (even though they each share such a deep and vast hatred of teh Gay), but I don&#8217;t see any way Romney isn&#8217;t the Republican candidate in &#8216;12. He&#8217;s just too perfect a Republican in every other respect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Truffle</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is state money going to religious organizations?  Can you say &quot;unconstitutional&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is state money going to religious organizations?  Can you say &#8220;unconstitutional&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Silver Owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silver Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep lying and stealing, definitely christian values of today&#039;s republicans.   It&#039;s all good as long they are attractive to the base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep lying and stealing, definitely christian values of today&#8217;s republicans.   It&#8217;s all good as long they are attractive to the base.</p>
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		<title>By: L Boom</title>
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		<dc:creator>L Boom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1623798&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Persia&lt;/a&gt;: If you don&#039;t follow this stuff at all, it&#039;s pretty easy not to realize just how different Mormonism is from mainstream Christianity (and, well, fringe, too).

A couple bullet points from the Mormon belief system:

1.  The Apostasy - All Christianity past Christ was a heresy until Joseph Smith redeemed it. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy#The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Great Apostasy&lt;/a&gt;)

2.  The Planet &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kolob&lt;/a&gt;.  Plus, when you die, you get to become a god with a bunch of wives on your &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology#Other_worlds_and_extraterrestrial_life&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;own planet&lt;/a&gt;.  Not &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; a god, &lt;em&gt;a&lt;/em&gt; god.  On the plus side, this provided the underlying mythology for Battlestar Galactica, so I&#039;ve gotta give them credit there.

3.  Magic underwear.  Seriously.  Magic underwear.  I probably already put in enough links to end up in moderation, but I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve heard at least a bit about it.

Part of the thing with Mormonism is that as this stuff becomes better known it&#039;ll come across as either deeply offensive to many Christians (things like the Great Apostasy) or deeply hilarious to many non-Christians (interplanetary gods, magic underwear).  Throw in the recent scandals like polygamous child brides in the Fundamentalist Mormon church and Mitt&#039;s going to be facing a PR nightmare.

That said, I do think he&#039;s going to end up the nominee, as the Republicans have in almost every case nominated the runner-up from the previous open election.  And you can count on the Republicans flogging Mitt ruthlessly with this stuff during the primaries.  I can&#039;t even begin to imagine the whisper campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1623798" rel="nofollow">Persia</a>: If you don&#8217;t follow this stuff at all, it&#8217;s pretty easy not to realize just how different Mormonism is from mainstream Christianity (and, well, fringe, too).</p>
<p>A couple bullet points from the Mormon belief system:</p>
<p>1.  The Apostasy &#8211; All Christianity past Christ was a heresy until Joseph Smith redeemed it. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy#The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints" rel="nofollow">The Great Apostasy</a>)</p>
<p>2.  The Planet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob" rel="nofollow">Kolob</a>.  Plus, when you die, you get to become a god with a bunch of wives on your <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology#Other_worlds_and_extraterrestrial_life" rel="nofollow">own planet</a>.  Not <em>like</em> a god, <em>a</em> god.  On the plus side, this provided the underlying mythology for Battlestar Galactica, so I&#8217;ve gotta give them credit there.</p>
<p>3.  Magic underwear.  Seriously.  Magic underwear.  I probably already put in enough links to end up in moderation, but I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve heard at least a bit about it.</p>
<p>Part of the thing with Mormonism is that as this stuff becomes better known it&#8217;ll come across as either deeply offensive to many Christians (things like the Great Apostasy) or deeply hilarious to many non-Christians (interplanetary gods, magic underwear).  Throw in the recent scandals like polygamous child brides in the Fundamentalist Mormon church and Mitt&#8217;s going to be facing a PR nightmare.</p>
<p>That said, I do think he&#8217;s going to end up the nominee, as the Republicans have in almost every case nominated the runner-up from the previous open election.  And you can count on the Republicans flogging Mitt ruthlessly with this stuff during the primaries.  I can&#8217;t even begin to imagine the whisper campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...$30,000 from the license plate program was supposed to go to the Department of Military Affairs and the Department of Veterans Affairs, but instead paid for a position at the faith-based office which is part of the Pawlenty’s office.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So IOW, the &quot;veteran&#039;s&quot; plate money was applied &lt;em&gt;directly&lt;/em&gt; for Wingnut Welfare? Smooth.  Unfortunately, the fact that this particular diversion was for &quot;faith-based&quot; purposes will probably assuage any possible objections Republicans might have. After all, maybe the position Pawlenty was financing was for coordinating sending Our Troops copies of the Conservative Bible or something.
Anyway, IOKIYAR covers (and excuses) a multitude of sins....</description>
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<blockquote>...$30,000 from the license plate program was supposed to go to the Department of Military Affairs and the Department of Veterans Affairs, but instead paid for a position at the faith-based office which is part of the Pawlenty&#8217;s office.</p></blockquote>
<p>So <span class="caps">IOW</span>, the &#8220;veteran&#8217;s&#8221; plate money was applied <em>directly</em> for Wingnut Welfare? Smooth.  Unfortunately, the fact that this particular diversion was for &#8220;faith-based&#8221; purposes will probably assuage any possible objections Republicans might have. After all, maybe the position Pawlenty was financing was for coordinating sending Our Troops copies of the Conservative Bible or something.<br />
Anyway, <span class="caps">IOKIYAR</span> covers (and excuses) a multitude of sins&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good.  
We need a thorough accounting of Faith Based Initiatives funding, state and federal.   Both where the money goes, and whether they&#039;re using funds for evangelizing-converting, rather than delivery of social services.   
ACORN is a secular social service delivery agency that receive(d) federal funds, and they were defunded based entirely on a heavily edited video submitted by political operatives that media promoted.  
We&#039;d insist on a fairer and more transparent audit process for religious organizations than ACORN received, of course.  No politically-motivated smear jobs that destroy individual reputations of low-level workers.   Just a request for records and such, maybe a review of management performance or qualifications.   No reason to immunize religious from review, right, when they&#039;re receiving public funds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good.<br />
We need a thorough accounting of Faith Based Initiatives funding, state and federal.   Both where the money goes, and whether they&#8217;re using funds for evangelizing-converting, rather than delivery of social services.<br />
<span class="caps">ACORN</span> is a secular social service delivery agency that receive(d) federal funds, and they were defunded based entirely on a heavily edited video submitted by political operatives that media promoted.<br />
We&#8217;d insist on a fairer and more transparent audit process for religious organizations than <span class="caps">ACORN</span> received, of course.  No politically-motivated smear jobs that destroy individual reputations of low-level workers.   Just a request for records and such, maybe a review of management performance or qualifications.   No reason to immunize religious from review, right, when they&#8217;re receiving public funds?</p>
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		<title>By: WereBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>WereBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1623798&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Persia&lt;/a&gt;: Well, we found out what yer average Republican thinks of Mormons.

Which is some serious irony, since he got elected as a Democrat in blue Mass, and now, as a Republican, the usual getting arrested problems occur.

Of course, he&#039;s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but even he might be grasping this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1623798" rel="nofollow">Persia</a>: Well, we found out what yer average Republican thinks of Mormons.</p>
<p>Which is some serious irony, since he got elected as a Democrat in blue Mass, and now, as a Republican, the usual getting arrested problems occur.</p>
<p>Of course, he&#8217;s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but even he might be grasping this.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hatred of fundies for the Mormons is astonishing.  It really is the matter of one, well established cult resenting the up-and-coming competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hatred of fundies for the Mormons is astonishing.  It really is the matter of one, well established cult resenting the up-and-coming competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Sly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are there any moderate Republicans left in the country?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where have you gone, Jacob Javits? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you. 

Woo-woo-woo.</description>
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<blockquote>Are there any moderate Republicans left in the country?</p></blockquote>
<p>Where have you gone, Jacob Javits? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.</p>
<p>Woo-woo-woo.</p>
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		<title>By: very reverend crimson fire of compassion</title>
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		<dc:creator>very reverend crimson fire of compassion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1623912&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TenguPhule&lt;/a&gt;: The good Republicans, and those who will get better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1623912" rel="nofollow">TenguPhule</a>: The good Republicans, and those who will get better?</p>
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		<title>By: TenguPhule</title>
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		<dc:creator>TenguPhule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are there any moderate Republicans left in the country?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.

We have Dead Republicans and Republicans that aren&#039;t dead yet. That&#039;s it.</description>
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<blockquote>Are there any moderate Republicans left in the country?</p></blockquote>
<p>No.</p>
<p>We have Dead Republicans and Republicans that aren&#8217;t dead yet. That&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: ruemara</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruemara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1623826&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mclaren&lt;/a&gt;: 

serious radical leftist? Alan Grayson? When you&#039;re through smoking whatever you&#039;re smoking, there&#039;s a seat in rehab for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1623826" rel="nofollow">mclaren</a>:</p>
<p>serious radical leftist? Alan Grayson? When you&#8217;re through smoking whatever you&#8217;re smoking, there&#8217;s a seat in rehab for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1623893&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uloborus&lt;/a&gt;: 

Student loan reform is attached to health care bill, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1623893" rel="nofollow">Uloborus</a>:</p>
<p>Student loan reform is attached to health care bill, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Uloborus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uloborus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1623845&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Sheriff’s A Ni-&lt;/a&gt;: 
I&#039;ve been optimistic and poopooing every premature, idealistic declaration that HCR is dead because of X, Y, or Z for months.  And now it could be voted on in days and is in Pelosi&#039;s brick-crushing hands, I&#039;m biting my nails and trying to figure out how it&#039;s going to fail.

Damn you, lizard brain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1623845" rel="nofollow">The Sheriff&#8217;s A Ni-</a>:<br />
I&#8217;ve been optimistic and poopooing every premature, idealistic declaration that <span class="caps">HCR</span> is dead because of X, Y, or Z for months.  And now it could be voted on in days and is in Pelosi&#8217;s brick-crushing hands, I&#8217;m biting my nails and trying to figure out how it&#8217;s going to fail.</p>
<p>Damn you, lizard brain!</p>
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