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		<title>By: mai naem</title>
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		<dc:creator>mai naem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like a lawyer being the lawyer in a divorce and representing both the husband and wife and then stretching it out so that he can make more money off the divorce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like a lawyer being the lawyer in a divorce and representing both the husband and wife and then stretching it out so that he can make more money off the divorce.</p>
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		<title>By: Beware Goldman Sachs Bearing Gifts &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beware Goldman Sachs Bearing Gifts &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John Cole: At this point, Goldman Sachs should replace SPECTRE as the global villain in any future Bond movies. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John Cole: At this point, Goldman Sachs should replace <span class="caps">SPECTRE</span> as the global villain in any future Bond movies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1577398&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;burnspbesq&lt;/a&gt;:  I think you are cutting GS too much slack here.  The deal may have been legal, but it clearly was not transparent.  And if the left hand of GS hides the true financial status of a client and the right hand of GS goes to the futures market and makes a killing based on that knowledge, that is not, well, kosher. 

Think of it this way - if you drafted some of the contracts and instruments in the deal that GS set up for Greece, would you dare to invest heavily in those same debt instruments?  Attorneys and accountants have strict conflict of interest rules, but bankers are allowed to rip off and destroy their own clients, I suppose. 

If I were running a large company (not that such a thing would ever happen) the last people I would want to do business with would be GS.  Talk about inviting wolves into one&#039;s house...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1577398" rel="nofollow">burnspbesq</a>:  I think you are cutting GS too much slack here.  The deal may have been legal, but it clearly was not transparent.  And if the left hand of GS hides the true financial status of a client and the right hand of GS goes to the futures market and makes a killing based on that knowledge, that is not, well, kosher.</p>
<p>Think of it this way &#8211; if you drafted some of the contracts and instruments in the deal that GS set up for Greece, would you dare to invest heavily in those same debt instruments?  Attorneys and accountants have strict conflict of interest rules, but bankers are allowed to rip off and destroy their own clients, I suppose.</p>
<p>If I were running a large company (not that such a thing would ever happen) the last people I would want to do business with would be GS.  Talk about inviting wolves into one&#8217;s house&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
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		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1577027&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;: 

Hate to be all Johnny Buzzkill here, but not only is what you describe not a crime under existing law as I understand it, it&#039;s far from clear that it is even civil fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1577027" rel="nofollow">Xenos</a>:</p>
<p>Hate to be all Johnny Buzzkill here, but not only is what you describe not a crime under existing law as I understand it, it&#8217;s far from clear that it is even civil fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Psychopolitik 2.0 &#187; Frankenstein&#8217;s Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psychopolitik 2.0 &#187; Frankenstein&#8217;s Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Props.    &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
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		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1576913&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mike E&lt;/a&gt;: 

You might want to start by showing evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that said company did every element of an actual voilation of some provision of Title 18 of the United States Code. Anything short of that is a waste of everyone&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1576913" rel="nofollow">Mike E</a>:</p>
<p>You might want to start by showing evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that said company did every element of an actual voilation of some provision of Title 18 of the United States Code. Anything short of that is a waste of everyone&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
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		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1576896&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Moar You Know&lt;/a&gt;: 

Err, no, yourself.

Go back and read the quoted passage.

Key points: Goldman HELPED the Greek government LEGALLY circumvent the Maastricht rules.

Feel free to argue that what the Greeks did shouldn&#039;t be legal. I will probably not disagree with you. But for the moment, it is legal.

Goldman may have done a lot of things that reasonable people can be unhappy about. This is not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1576896" rel="nofollow">The Moar You Know</a>:</p>
<p>Err, no, yourself.</p>
<p>Go back and read the quoted passage.</p>
<p>Key points: Goldman <span class="caps">HELPED</span> the Greek government <span class="caps">LEGALLY</span> circumvent the Maastricht rules.</p>
<p>Feel free to argue that what the Greeks did shouldn&#8217;t be legal. I will probably not disagree with you. But for the moment, it is legal.</p>
<p>Goldman may have done a lot of things that reasonable people can be unhappy about. This is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Martian Buddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martian Buddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1577035&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inkadu&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/01/06/orson-scott-cards-enders-game-movie-has-been-scrapped/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Good guess&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1577035" rel="nofollow">inkadu</a>: <a href="http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/01/06/orson-scott-cards-enders-game-movie-has-been-scrapped/" rel="nofollow">Good guess</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT - Today&#039;s economic laugher from Citi:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/9/835434/-Let-the-Bonuses-Shower-Bankstas-Like-RainCiti-Plans-Crisis-Derivatives

Seems that Citi&#039;s great new game for avoiding suffering from the trauma of accepting only modest returns for responsible lending to small businesses and consumers is to offer a great new financial product - crisis derivatives.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Credit specialists at Citi are considering launching the first derivatives intended to pay out in the event of a financial crisis. The firm has drawn up plans for a tradable liquidity index, known as the CLX, on which products could be structured that allow buyers to hedge a spike in funding costs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What can possibly go wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">OT </span>- Today&#8217;s economic laugher from Citi:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/9/835434/-Let-the-Bonuses-Shower-Bankstas-Like-RainCiti-Plans-Crisis-Derivatives" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....erivatives</a></p>
<p>Seems that Citi&#8217;s great new game for avoiding suffering from the trauma of accepting only modest returns for responsible lending to small businesses and consumers is to offer a great new financial product &#8211; crisis derivatives.</p>
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<blockquote>Credit specialists at Citi are considering launching the first derivatives intended to pay out in the event of a financial crisis. The firm has drawn up plans for a tradable liquidity index, known as the <span class="caps">CLX</span>, on which products could be structured that allow buyers to hedge a spike in funding costs.</p></blockquote>
<p>What can possibly go wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted the Slacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted the Slacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m almost tempted to give Goldman a pass on this activity, because it really is the case here of everyone doing it with any European gubmint.

Citigroup was very big in this space, JP Morgan too, and the more heavily endebted Eurozone countries had these sorts of derivative trades on with just about every investment bank on the planet. If Italy runs into trouble, you&#039;ll see all the usual suspects rear their heads.

Top of the list though, that will be Goldman... the fact the the governor of the Bank of Italy is ex-Goldman, just a coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m almost tempted to give Goldman a pass on this activity, because it really is the case here of everyone doing it with any European gubmint.</p>
<p>Citigroup was very big in this space, <span class="caps">JP </span>Morgan too, and the more heavily endebted Eurozone countries had these sorts of derivative trades on with just about every investment bank on the planet. If Italy runs into trouble, you&#8217;ll see all the usual suspects rear their heads.</p>
<p>Top of the list though, that will be Goldman&#8230; the fact the the governor of the Bank of Italy is ex-Goldman, just a coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much you want to bet Goldman currency traders were busy shorting the shit out of Greek debt and the Euro at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much you want to bet Goldman currency traders were busy shorting the shit out of Greek debt and the Euro at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: The Confidence Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Confidence Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should just call them Goldman SMERSH. (There&#039;s a nice euphony with &quot;Hulk SMASH!&quot; too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should just call them Goldman <span class="caps">SMERSH</span>. (There&#8217;s a nice euphony with &#8220;Hulk <span class="caps">SMASH</span>!&#8221; too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1577138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sloegin&lt;/a&gt;: &#039;...now I&#039;m a broken man on a Piraeus pier, the last of Giorgo&#039;s Privateers.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1577138" rel="nofollow">Sloegin</a>: &#8216;...now I&#8217;m a broken man on a Piraeus pier, the last of Giorgo&#8217;s Privateers.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Sloegin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sloegin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems high time for Greece to issue Letters of Marque to the Crimson Permanent Assurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems high time for Greece to issue Letters of Marque to the Crimson Permanent Assurance.</p>
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		<title>By: inkadu</title>
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		<dc:creator>inkadu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1577075&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;carlos the dwarf&lt;/a&gt;: I like Wagner too much to care where my entertainment comes from or who got paid for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1577075" rel="nofollow">carlos the dwarf</a>: I like Wagner too much to care where my entertainment comes from or who got paid for it.</p>
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