I’m also sick of people acting as though folks like Hamsher had NOTHING to do with Obama’s election; OMFG, are you kidding me?

Up unitl now I HAVE kept my unhappiness to myself but no more; if the conservadems and those who seem to HAVE a burning “need” to consider themselves “moderates” want to push us even FARTHER to the right, go right ahead, but I’m not goin with you.

I voted the bastard conservative’s out for a reason :(!

true, this – personally, I’ve been really pissed at Rahm since about 1994/Nafta – I ratcheted it up after around October of 2006.

so if we’ve been pissed at Rahm for YEARS - and remember, John , you weren’t following the ins and outs of Democratic party hackery until relatively recently – is it OK to be STILL pissed at him now?

And you don’t have a clue what accessory to war crime is, do you?

I Am Not A Lawyer™, but actually, it ain’t hard to figure out. The Geneva Conventions are online, the UN Convention Against Torture is online, and a little Googling will find you the related U.S. statutes defining failure to comply as felonies. And finding out what constitutes being an accessory to a federal felony is just one Google more.

Try it sometime.

As it happens, we now have another reason to be concerned: Obama has just appointed William Lietzau to be deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs. And who’s he, you ask? Why, a former aide “to William J. Haynes II*, the David Addington protégé who was Donald Rumsfeld’s lawyer at the Pentagon. In this role, he played a central role in creating a harsh new environment for prisoners taken in the war on terror, including the crafting of rules for a military commission that were subsequently overturned by the Supreme Court.”

And you wonder why some of us wonder about Obama.

*Full, and admittedly odd, disclosure: William J. “Jim” Haynes II was my freshman hall counselor in college.

Sick to death of progressive hate. Maybe they should consider joining the GOP.

Out of curiosity, what exactly was the response you were expecting?

I don’t “expect” anything. What I hope for is minimal levels of intellectual consistency.

Here’s a summary of the discussion so far.

John says he is “sick and tired” of “Obama and Rahm REALLY suck” material from the left. Remember that? It’s the lengthy entry at the very top of this page. So that’s what we’re talking about.

I suggest, half seriously, that John reach out to these people rather than berate them, since he complains about this issue several times a week.

Elie tells me that it’s hard to reach out to people who are stabbing you (her? Obama? she wasn’t clear) in the back.

Needless to say, it’s blindingly obvious to anybody who doesn’t have a horse in this race that we’re witnessing a rather jaw-dropping level of hypocrisy here. If harshing on Obama from the left is something we ought to be “sick and tired” of then calling Clemons or Digby or Hamsher or Greenwald or whomever a bunch of backstabbers is something we ought to be sick and tired of as well. Fact is, these little bitchfests that John starts aren’t having the effect he hopes. Rather than shaming the disaffected left into better behavior he’s simply starting long threads of “so-and-so sucks” schoolyard taunts aimed back in the other direction. I guess a lot of folks here like these “food fights”, and that’s their prerogative, but please don’t complain about other people’s behavior when you yourself are tossing potato salad.

I don’t disagree with anything you wrote. If you read back to what I wrote, I didn’t slag Rahm, or adopt a right-wing frame, I just asked that the attacking of political allies personally for disagreement is folly and is just making the wedge between the center-left and the left deeper.

I think the whole point is, I don’t want to spend my time here arguing with people I agree with mostly when there are teabaggers/wingnuts close to gaining power that need my anger and your anger, but who are instead wasting the energy on Hamsher, who has already proven herself powerless.

WOW! Rude and hasty and unfair? How unlike you John.

And I think that Gore should have approached the court politically with this case. There should have been massive protest throughout florida and elsewhere. The lawyers for Gore should have come to court and denied the court had the right to make a negative decision instead of humbly arguing technicalities. He chose order over justice, to his and our shame.