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		<title>By: mcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Duncan Hunter went on NPR last night and his first rationale for opposing lifting the ban was “Hermaphrodites and Transsexuals” would be able to serve&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, this was something I&#039;ve been wondering about! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.palmcenter.org/publications/dadt/gender_identity_and_the_military_transgender_transsexual_and_intersex_identified_individuals_in_the_u_s_armed_&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Currently&lt;/a&gt; transgender and intersex individuals are not effected either way by DADT, but are nevertheless barred from the armed forces; intersexed persons are considered medically unqualified, whereas transsexualism is considered a psychological condition that makes one unfit for service. (The specific military regulation that covers this is worded in an unusually archaic and nasty way, simply listing transsexualism in a longer list of &quot;paraphilias&quot;.) I had been wondering if the move toward finally allowing homosexuals in the military at any point provides an opportunity to question the separate policy keeping out the transgendered; so far though Hunter is the first person I&#039;ve seen bring the idea up.

Kind of fascinating that this was the first thing that came to Duncan Hunter&#039;s mind, though-- his biggest concern with reducing discrimination against a group[ is that it might impact his future ability to discriminate against another, even more hated group.</description>
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<blockquote>Duncan Hunter went on <span class="caps">NPR</span> last night and his first rationale for opposing lifting the ban was &#8220;Hermaphrodites and Transsexuals&#8221; would be able to serve</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, this was something I&#8217;ve been wondering about! <a href="http://www.palmcenter.org/publications/dadt/gender_identity_and_the_military_transgender_transsexual_and_intersex_identified_individuals_in_the_u_s_armed_" rel="nofollow">Currently</a> transgender and intersex individuals are not effected either way by <span class="caps">DADT</span>, but are nevertheless barred from the armed forces; intersexed persons are considered medically unqualified, whereas transsexualism is considered a psychological condition that makes one unfit for service. (The specific military regulation that covers this is worded in an unusually archaic and nasty way, simply listing transsexualism in a longer list of &#8220;paraphilias&#8221;.) I had been wondering if the move toward finally allowing homosexuals in the military at any point provides an opportunity to question the separate policy keeping out the transgendered; so far though Hunter is the first person I&#8217;ve seen bring the idea up.</p>
<p>Kind of fascinating that this was the first thing that came to Duncan Hunter&#8217;s mind, though&#8212;his biggest concern with reducing discrimination against a group[ is that it might impact his future ability to discriminate against another, even more hated group.</p>
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		<title>By: suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568622&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Skippy-san&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;If you want it to be like the integration of women-that is what will happen. Heterosexual white males will have one more strike against them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

***playing the world&#039;s smallest violin for all those heterosexual white males and all the institutionalized discrimination they face***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1568622" rel="nofollow">Skippy-san</a>:<br />
<blockquote>If you want it to be like the integration of women-that is what will happen. Heterosexual white males will have one more strike against them.</p></blockquote>
<p>***playing the world&#8217;s smallest violin for all those heterosexual white males and all the institutionalized discrimination they face***</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skippy-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@74 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=33972#comment-1568186&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suzanne&lt;/a&gt;

There&#039;s a way to get the doubters on board-tell them it will be like the intergration of women into squadrons and ships. 

Not!

This is not about getting along together. Its about whether these folks will really be treated &quot;the same&quot;. Knowing the military, they will create a new class of preferred customers just like what happened with women.

Will there be &quot;GAY&quot; stamps on service records to ensure that the right percentage of gays are promoted to ensure &quot;diversity&quot;?

Will public affairs officers slobber all over themselves printing press releases touting the &quot;first openly gay Commanding Officer&quot;?

Will there be enlistment quotas and targets to ensure a &quot;critical mass&quot; of gay troops?

And when will we have to start observing Gay History Month?

If you want it to be like the integration of women-that is what will happen. Heterosexual white males will have one more strike against them. 

If you can assure me that none of those things are going to happen-you&#039;ll get a lot more folks on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@74 <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=33972#comment-1568186" rel="nofollow">suzanne</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a way to get the doubters on board-tell them it will be like the intergration of women into squadrons and ships.</p>
<p>Not!</p>
<p>This is not about getting along together. Its about whether these folks will really be treated &#8220;the same&#8221;. Knowing the military, they will create a new class of preferred customers just like what happened with women.</p>
<p>Will there be &#8220;GAY&#8221; stamps on service records to ensure that the right percentage of gays are promoted to ensure &#8220;diversity&#8221;?</p>
<p>Will public affairs officers slobber all over themselves printing press releases touting the &#8220;first openly gay Commanding Officer&#8221;?</p>
<p>Will there be enlistment quotas and targets to ensure a &#8220;critical mass&#8221; of gay troops?</p>
<p>And when will we have to start observing Gay History Month?</p>
<p>If you want it to be like the integration of women-that is what will happen. Heterosexual white males will have one more strike against them.</p>
<p>If you can assure me that none of those things are going to happen-you&#8217;ll get a lot more folks on board.</p>
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		<title>By: AxelFoley</title>
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		<dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568091&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jrg&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;John McCain is 900 years old. What difference does it make in the long run what his stance is?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&quot;When nine hundred years old you reach, look as good, you will not, hm?&quot; 

--Yoda</description>
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<blockquote>John McCain is 900 years old. What difference does it make in the long run what his stance is?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;When nine hundred years old you reach, look as good, you will not, hm?&#8221;<br />
&#8212;Yoda</p>
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		<title>By: lol</title>
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		<dc:creator>lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022101131_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From the same author&lt;/a&gt;, an article about how the anti-lobbyist McCain is almost entirely advised by lobbyists. Seems like a good article overall but Shear still ends up saying crap like this...

&lt;blockquote&gt;A common career path for political operatives is a lucrative job at a Washington lobbying firm that allows them to continue campaign work, and McCain is hardly the first candidate to draw on that talent pool. The campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has been aided by lobbyists Harold Ickes and Mark Penn, who heads Burson Marsteller Worldwide. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been advised by former senator Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), who is not a registered lobbyist but advises clients about Washington. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Essentially, McCain is a massive hypocrite but Clinton is advised by two lobbyists and Obama is advised by someone who is not a lobbyist so both sides are equally bad. Also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022101131_pf.html" rel="nofollow">From the same author</a>, an article about how the anti-lobbyist McCain is almost entirely advised by lobbyists. Seems like a good article overall but Shear still ends up saying crap like this&#8230;</p>
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<blockquote>A common career path for political operatives is a lucrative job at a Washington lobbying firm that allows them to continue campaign work, and McCain is hardly the first candidate to draw on that talent pool. The campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has been aided by lobbyists Harold Ickes and Mark Penn, who heads Burson Marsteller Worldwide. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been advised by former senator Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), who is not a registered lobbyist but advises clients about Washington. </p></blockquote>
<p>Essentially, McCain is a massive hypocrite but Clinton is advised by two lobbyists and Obama is advised by someone who is not a lobbyist so both sides are equally bad. Also.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568294&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ash&lt;/a&gt;: The discharged translators and linguists have a bit of a resonance to their cases - their skills are rare and vital, and we can&#039;t simply stick a randomly-selected new recruit into their slot. I would assume people with other specialties are getting discharged at a similar rate, but since they&#039;re generally  easier to replace it&#039;s harder to use them as an example of DADT actually serving to weaken the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1568294" rel="nofollow">Ash</a>: The discharged translators and linguists have a bit of a resonance to their cases &#8211; their skills are rare and vital, and we can&#8217;t simply stick a randomly-selected new recruit into their slot. I would assume people with other specialties are getting discharged at a similar rate, but since they&#8217;re generally  easier to replace it&#8217;s harder to use them as an example of <span class="caps">DADT</span> actually serving to weaken the military.</p>
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		<title>By: scav</title>
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		<dc:creator>scav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568294&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ash&lt;/a&gt;: Why bring up your fingernail biting when you&#039;re sticking a fork in your eyes at the same time?

TRANSLATION:  reporting bias added to importance bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1568294" rel="nofollow">Ash</a>: Why bring up your fingernail biting when you&#8217;re sticking a fork in your eyes at the same time?</p>
<p><span class="caps">TRANSLATION</span>:  reporting bias added to importance bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damnit, Cole, now I have that horrible Scorpions song stuck in my head.</description>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568255&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Randy P&lt;/a&gt;: Well I mean &quot;so many&quot; in the sense that people almost always bring up the fact that of the discharged many of them are translators and linguists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1568255" rel="nofollow">Randy P</a>: Well I mean &#8220;so many&#8221; in the sense that people almost always bring up the fact that of the discharged many of them are translators and linguists.</p>
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		<title>By: Pangloss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pangloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is EXACTLY the kind of Mavericky maverickness that so many Republicans voted for in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is <span class="caps">EXACTLY</span> the kind of Mavericky maverickness that so many Republicans voted for in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: WereBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>WereBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568143&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JGabriel&lt;/a&gt;: Hmmm.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia said that if they began to loosen one restriction, others might unravel, leading to a louche atmosphere brimming with “alcohol use, adultery, fraternization and body art.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For not the first time, I am struck with how much they rely on &lt;em&gt;external &lt;/em&gt;controls to keep their Id from rampaging through society like a frat kid on crack.

This is the &quot;man standing over you with a big stick&quot; school of motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1568143" rel="nofollow">JGabriel</a>: Hmmm.</p>
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<blockquote>Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia said that if they began to loosen one restriction, others might unravel, leading to a louche atmosphere brimming with &#8220;alcohol use, adultery, fraternization and body art.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>For not the first time, I am struck with how much they rely on <em>external </em>controls to keep their Id from rampaging through society like a frat kid on crack.</p>
<p>This is the &#8220;man standing over you with a big stick&#8221; school of motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: shortstop</title>
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		<dc:creator>shortstop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ok, serious question, why ARE so many translators gay?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because gays love terrorists and want to be able to chat with them after they turn the greatest military force in the world into a giant bathhouse with compulsive participation. This is outside their regular gay recruitment duties, of course. They&#039;re busy people, but we all know their organizational skills are as sharp as their decorating sense.

Seriously, I&#039;ve wondered whether there really is a slightly higher proportion or whether they&#039;re just getting more attention because we&#039;re so short of Arabic linguists. No idea what the answer is, but Randy P&#039;s probably right -- it&#039;s likely the same as the general pop.

But I still think an element of McCain&#039;s latest crap, beyond his reflexive contrariness to anything Obama does and his need to suck up to his state&#039;s &#039;bagger brigade, is his wanting to smack down his gay-loving wife. I see no reason to think that the spite he amply demonstrates toward virtually everyone who has the gall to disagree with him in public would not extend to his wife. The guy is, among his numerous other character faults, a raging control freak.</description>
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<blockquote>Ok, serious question, why <span class="caps">ARE</span> so many translators gay?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because gays love terrorists and want to be able to chat with them after they turn the greatest military force in the world into a giant bathhouse with compulsive participation. This is outside their regular gay recruitment duties, of course. They&#8217;re busy people, but we all know their organizational skills are as sharp as their decorating sense.</p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;ve wondered whether there really is a slightly higher proportion or whether they&#8217;re just getting more attention because we&#8217;re so short of Arabic linguists. No idea what the answer is, but Randy P&#8217;s probably right&#8212;it&#8217;s likely the same as the general pop.</p>
<p>But I still think an element of McCain&#8217;s latest crap, beyond his reflexive contrariness to anything Obama does and his need to suck up to his state&#8217;s &#8216;bagger brigade, is his wanting to smack down his gay-loving wife. I see no reason to think that the spite he amply demonstrates toward virtually everyone who has the gall to disagree with him in public would not extend to his wife. The guy is, among his numerous other character faults, a raging control freak.</p>
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		<title>By: ruemara</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruemara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568273&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JGabriel&lt;/a&gt;: 

Sounds like a Pride In Gaming Event. I would attend.</description>
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<p>Sounds like a Pride In Gaming Event. I would attend.</p>
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		<title>By: JGabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>JGabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1568263&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ruemara&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;Language is an art and teh ghey has +10 to your artistickal stats.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dungeons &amp; Strap-ons?

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<blockquote>Language is an art and teh ghey has +10 to your artistickal stats.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dungeons &#038; Strap-ons?</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: FlipYrWhig</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlipYrWhig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that one day conservatives might learn that there is in fact a difference between &quot;gay&quot; and &quot;girlish&quot;?  They clearly think everyone who is gay is a screaming queen, or would be if they weren&#039;t trying desperately to conceal their terrible, terrible shame.  I guess it goes along with thinking that their own gelatinous selves are so irreproachably masculine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that one day conservatives might learn that there is in fact a difference between &#8220;gay&#8221; and &#8220;girlish&#8221;?  They clearly think everyone who is gay is a screaming queen, or would be if they weren&#8217;t trying desperately to conceal their terrible, terrible shame.  I guess it goes along with thinking that their own gelatinous selves are so irreproachably masculine.</p>
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