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		<title>By: katie5</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2009/05/15/why-does-language-matter/#comment-1235383</link>
		<dc:creator>katie5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And civilization equals weakness equals occasional recreational brutality. According to the quote in the article on 24, &quot;their [French] enlightened legal systems had made them vulnerable to security threats,&quot; became justification for the effete to torture the Algerians. Torture supporters believe they&#039;re all the more heroic because they listen to their (inner child) lizard brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And civilization equals weakness equals occasional recreational brutality. According to the quote in the article on 24, &#8220;their [French] enlightened legal systems had made them vulnerable to security threats,&#8221; became justification for the effete to torture the Algerians. Torture supporters believe they&#8217;re all the more heroic because they listen to their (inner child) lizard brain.</p>
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		<title>By: ldunham</title>
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		<dc:creator>ldunham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the control of language is the forgone strategy which has been in place since the beginnings of the torture debate (why else the elusive ”we don’t torture!).  Ran across this interesting essay on torture and how the Bush administration has yoked language, titled “Re-inscription and the Control of Meaning: America and the Signification Logic of Torture”.  

You can find the essay here.

http://www.stevendixon.net/text7.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the control of language is the forgone strategy which has been in place since the beginnings of the torture debate (why else the elusive &#8221;we don&#8217;t torture!).  Ran across this interesting essay on torture and how the Bush administration has yoked language, titled &#8220;Re-inscription and the Control of Meaning: America and the Signification Logic of Torture&#8221;.</p>
<p>You can find the essay here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stevendixon.net/text7.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.stevendixon.net/text7.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I zipped this off to NPR after their noon news broadcast:

&quot;On the Friday noon news lead-in to Here and Now, referring to waterboarding, the on-air announcer defined it as, &quot;what critics call torture.&quot; Only critics? How about &quot;what international law calls torture, what the Geneva Conventions call torture, what the U.S. government has prosecuted as torture . . .&quot;
&quot;Has NPR entered the world of doublespeak? Congratulations on buying into the Republican world view. 
&quot;I expect if, in the future, an American is captured and waterboarded by some hostile group or government, you will not say s/he has been tortured. After all, if we do it, it must be OK.&quot;

No response yet . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I zipped this off to <span class="caps">NPR</span> after their noon news broadcast:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the Friday noon news lead-in to Here and Now, referring to waterboarding, the on-air announcer defined it as, &#8220;what critics call torture.&#8221; Only critics? How about &#8220;what international law calls torture, what the Geneva Conventions call torture, what the U.S. government has prosecuted as torture . . .&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Has <span class="caps">NPR</span> entered the world of doublespeak? Congratulations on buying into the Republican world view.<br />
&#8220;I expect if, in the future, an American is captured and waterboarded by some hostile group or government, you will not say s/he has been tortured. After all, if we do it, it must be OK.&#8221;</p>
<p>No response yet . . .</p>
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		<title>By: omen</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2009/05/15/why-does-language-matter/#comment-1234367</link>
		<dc:creator>omen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1234361&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HyperIon&lt;/a&gt;: 

hegemon had a breakdown of that:

http://rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/2009/05/moral-monster.html

did neocons take notes on how to emulate hitler?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1234361" rel="nofollow">HyperIon</a>:</p>
<p>hegemon had a breakdown of that:</p>
<p><a href="http://rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/2009/05/moral-monster.html" rel="nofollow">http://rising-hegemon.blogspot.....nster.html</a></p>
<p>did neocons take notes on how to emulate hitler?</p>
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		<title>By: HyperIon</title>
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		<dc:creator>HyperIon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1234267&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;omen&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;justifiable? ha, good luck with that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read Krauthammer today in WaPo.
He just comes right out and says it.
He uses a really stupid example of a so-called &quot;ticking time bomb&quot; scenario but it works for him. he&#039;s not backing down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1234267" rel="nofollow">omen</a>:<br />
<blockquote>justifiable? ha, good luck with that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Read Krauthammer today in WaPo.<br />
He just comes right out and says it.<br />
He uses a really stupid example of a so-called &#8220;ticking time bomb&#8221; scenario but it works for him. he&#8217;s not backing down.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;24&quot; just makes me angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;24&#8221; just makes me angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right wing is masterful at semantic pollution.  They&#039;ve managed to turn &quot;free speech&quot; into meaning &quot;entitled speech,&quot; &quot;liberal&quot; into meaning &quot;socialist&quot; and &quot;torture&quot; into meaning &quot;enhanced interrogation.&quot;  The name of their political movement really ought to be the National Euphemists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right wing is masterful at semantic pollution.  They&#8217;ve managed to turn &#8220;free speech&#8221; into meaning &#8220;entitled speech,&#8221; &#8220;liberal&#8221; into meaning &#8220;socialist&#8221; and &#8220;torture&#8221; into meaning &#8220;enhanced interrogation.&#8221;  The name of their political movement really ought to be the National Euphemists.</p>
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		<title>By: omen</title>
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		<dc:creator>omen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i caught a rightwing pundit last night describe it as &quot;justifiable&quot; torture.

justifiable? ha, good luck with that.

according to the daniel moynihan rule, once the opposition starts employing your semantics, you&#039;ve won the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i caught a rightwing pundit last night describe it as &#8220;justifiable&#8221; torture.</p>
<p>justifiable? ha, good luck with that.</p>
<p>according to the daniel moynihan rule, once the opposition starts employing your semantics, you&#8217;ve won the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: asiangrrlMN</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2009/05/15/why-does-language-matter/#comment-1234231</link>
		<dc:creator>asiangrrlMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1234172&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ecks&lt;/a&gt;: Yup, you got it.  And the news outlets wonder why they are becoming less and less relevant.  I&#039;ve heard this joke told in several ways, but it&#039;s like someone who&#039;s robbed a bank saying, &quot;Yes, I robbed the bank, but look at all the bills I paid!&quot;  Or, &quot;I didn&#039;t rob the bank, I was just exercising extreme money-borrowing techniques.&quot;

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1234213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Cat Who Would Be Tunch&lt;/a&gt;: Right on.  They say they are trying to be neutral, but waterboarding and some of the other shit has been defined, by law, as torture for quite a few years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1234172" rel="nofollow">Ecks</a>: Yup, you got it.  And the news outlets wonder why they are becoming less and less relevant.  I&#8217;ve heard this joke told in several ways, but it&#8217;s like someone who&#8217;s robbed a bank saying, &#8220;Yes, I robbed the bank, but look at all the bills I paid!&#8221;  Or, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t rob the bank, I was just exercising extreme money-borrowing techniques.&#8221;</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-1234213" rel="nofollow">The Cat Who Would Be Tunch</a>: Right on.  They say they are trying to be neutral, but waterboarding and some of the other shit has been defined, by law, as torture for quite a few years now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cat Who Would Be Tunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cat Who Would Be Tunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1233952&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SGEW&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;NPR and the NYT are trying to sit on the fence over whether or not we should prosecute the previous administration for war crimes. This editorial ambivalence would be much more difficult to sustain should they choose to call a crime a ‘crime.’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this has been pissing me off to no end.  Since when did NPR and NYT (or any other media outlet for that matter) have the authority to redefine definitions of words and what constitutes a crime?  I thought that was the job of the judiciary.  The next time I hear a story about a bank robbery, I want the media to refer to the incident as an alleged act of &quot;extreme financial self-enrichment&quot;.  Because calling it a &quot;robbery&quot; would make it a criminal act and thus open for prosecution.  Just like the torture advocates say when they try to justify their position, the robber may have been poor and resorted to robbery simply to save his/her family.  Why can&#039;t we just keep on walking, considering the noble intentions of the robber?    

What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1233952" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">SGEW</span></a>:</p>
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<blockquote><span class="caps">NPR</span> and the <span class="caps">NYT</span> are trying to sit on the fence over whether or not we should prosecute the previous administration for war crimes. This editorial ambivalence would be much more difficult to sustain should they choose to call a crime a &#8216;crime.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>And this has been pissing me off to no end.  Since when did <span class="caps">NPR</span> and <span class="caps">NYT </span>(or any other media outlet for that matter) have the authority to redefine definitions of words and what constitutes a crime?  I thought that was the job of the judiciary.  The next time I hear a story about a bank robbery, I want the media to refer to the incident as an alleged act of &#8220;extreme financial self-enrichment&#8221;.  Because calling it a &#8220;robbery&#8221; would make it a criminal act and thus open for prosecution.  Just like the torture advocates say when they try to justify their position, the robber may have been poor and resorted to robbery simply to save his/her family.  Why can&#8217;t we just keep on walking, considering the noble intentions of the robber?</p>
<p>What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Ecks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1234164&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;asiangrrlMN&lt;/a&gt;: troof.

Also note that when they bring out &quot;experts&quot; to say that the torture worked, those &quot;experts&quot; all seem to be people in the CIA - i.e., the people who did the actual torturing and are the ones who stand to be punished (and have professional careers railroaded) should the torture be publicly called torture.

That&#039;s like putting someone on trial for murder, and letting the defendant&#039;s lawyer say &quot;actually this case is just about guided life rearrangement.&quot; And everyone else saying &quot;oh yes, good point. Guided life rearrangement. And he should know, because he&#039;s working for the guy who was there and did it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1234164" rel="nofollow">asiangrrlMN</a>: troof.</p>
<p>Also note that when they bring out &#8220;experts&#8221; to say that the torture worked, those &#8220;experts&#8221; all seem to be people in the <span class="caps">CIA </span>- i.e., the people who did the actual torturing and are the ones who stand to be punished (and have professional careers railroaded) should the torture be publicly called torture.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like putting someone on trial for murder, and letting the defendant&#8217;s lawyer say &#8220;actually this case is just about guided life rearrangement.&#8221; And everyone else saying &#8220;oh yes, good point. Guided life rearrangement. And he should know, because he&#8217;s working for the guy who was there and did it!&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: asiangrrlMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>asiangrrlMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing about the rape analogy is that there are still men who believe no means yes and that women need to be convinced that they need sex.  So, that analogy probably wouldn&#039;t work for them, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing about the rape analogy is that there are still men who believe no means yes and that women need to be convinced that they need sex.  So, that analogy probably wouldn&#8217;t work for them, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: asiangrrlMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>asiangrrlMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupid moderation.

As for the use or non-use of the word torture, it has been amusing to watch the GOP try to say what we did was not torture, but that Nancy Pelosi was informed about it, so if it &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; torture, it&#039;s her fault.  Man, do they hate her.

Just like I hate the editing feature here when it tells me I can&#039;t edit my own post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid moderation.</p>
<p>As for the use or non-use of the word torture, it has been amusing to watch the <span class="caps">GOP</span> try to say what we did was not torture, but that Nancy Pelosi was informed about it, so if it <em>was</em> torture, it&#8217;s her fault.  Man, do they hate her.</p>
<p>Just like I hate the editing feature here when it tells me I can&#8217;t edit my own post.</p>
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		<title>By: asiangrrlMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>asiangrrlMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1233956&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dennis-SGMM&lt;/a&gt;: And of course, I have to point out that recently, the APA released a study that claimed bisexuality &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alliancealert.org/2009/01/26/apa-bisexuality-not-a-transitional-phase-among-women/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;was not a phase in women&lt;/a&gt;.

And, of course, Mr. Dobson&#039;s including bisexuality on that list in the first damn place is patently false.  Read the first point &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/guidelines.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I am shocked and appalled that a deeply religious man such as Mr. Dobson would lie to further his political agenda.  Shocked, I tell ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1233956" rel="nofollow">Dennis-SGMM</a>: And of course, I have to point out that recently, the <span class="caps">APA</span> released a study that claimed bisexuality <a href="http://www.alliancealert.org/2009/01/26/apa-bisexuality-not-a-transitional-phase-among-women/" rel="nofollow">was not a phase in women</a>.</p>
<p>And, of course, Mr. Dobson&#8217;s including bisexuality on that list in the first damn place is patently false.  Read the first point <a href="http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/guidelines.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>I am shocked and appalled that a deeply religious man such as Mr. Dobson would lie to further his political agenda.  Shocked, I tell ya!</p>
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		<title>By: Ecks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I’ve been doing this mental trick of replacing the word torture with rape.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean harsh love making. Please, we&#039;re trying to have a &lt;i&gt;serious&lt;/i&gt; conversation here, and using loaded words for enhanced love making just proves that you are shrill and biased.</description>
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I&#8217;ve been doing this mental trick of replacing the word torture with rape.</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean harsh love making. Please, we&#8217;re trying to have a <i>serious</i> conversation here, and using loaded words for enhanced love making just proves that you are shrill and biased.</p>
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