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		<title>By: Una verdad simulada &#187; A sensible advice</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2009/02/25/and-while-i-am-chucking-out-advice/#comment-1161846</link>
		<dc:creator>Una verdad simulada &#187; A sensible advice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cole has a sensible advice to the Republicans: lay low and bide your time. The 2008 election was, if nothing else, the population giving you all a richly deserved time-out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cole has a sensible advice to the Republicans: lay low and bide your time. The 2008 election was, if nothing else, the population giving you all a richly deserved time-out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Speechless &#171; Michael Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speechless &#171; Michael Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Republicans are not, and have not been, the party of the middle class since…I don’t know when. The last 8 years have shown just how out of touch the GOP is with the “normal Americans–the people in the middle culturally or economically”. The American public, in consecutive elections, rejected the theories that the right has sworn by for years. And don’t give me the deal about the branding. It’s the product that’s the problem. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Republicans are not, and have not been, the party of the middle class since&#8230;I don&#8217;t know when. The last 8 years have shown just how out of touch the <span class="caps">GOP</span> is with the &#8220;normal Americans&#8211;the people in the middle culturally or economically&#8221;. The American public, in consecutive elections, rejected the theories that the right has sworn by for years. And don&#8217;t give me the deal about the branding. It&#8217;s the product that&#8217;s the problem. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1160492&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anoniminous&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Who is the foremost US Conservative intellectual?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seriously, right now, you&#039;d probably find more cogent conservative ideas among Democrats than you would Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1160492" rel="nofollow">Anoniminous</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Who is the foremost <span class="caps">US </span>Conservative intellectual?</p></blockquote>
<p>Seriously, right now, you&#8217;d probably find more cogent conservative ideas among Democrats than you would Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over on the Next Right I advised Patrick that the GOP should skip the &quot;party of NO&quot; stuff and instead become the party of &quot;Yes, But&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on the Next Right I advised Patrick that the <span class="caps">GOP</span> should skip the &quot;party of NO&quot; stuff and instead become the party of &quot;Yes, But&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related subject. I realize that John is not embarrassed of his affiliation with Pajamas Media, so I won&#039;t ask if he is embarrassed by the ridiculous &#039;tea party&#039; banner on the left side of his page. I do, however, want to ask whether he&#039;s embarrassed that it appears &lt;i&gt;three times in a row&lt;/i&gt;.

Seriously, just get rid of that shit. What are they going to do, fire you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related subject. I realize that John is not embarrassed of his affiliation with Pajamas Media, so I won&#8217;t ask if he is embarrassed by the ridiculous &#8216;tea party&#8217; banner on the left side of his page. I do, however, want to ask whether he&#8217;s embarrassed that it appears <i>three times in a row</i>.</p>
<p>Seriously, just get rid of that shit. What are they going to do, fire you?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John C the idea that a timeout might serve them well would be accurate other than one inconvenient thing in regard to the House, re-election campaigns start the day after election.  Challengers to incumbents that aren&#039;t out there at that time working under the radar making connections and building a sort of underground aren&#039;t serious.

If I wanted to try the OR CD2 again, I&#039;d be showing my face in all the little meetings and talking to every pol of whatever size that might support me - now.  Never showing at this date as a candidate but as someone who cares and asks questions and builds a subconsciousness of my name so that when it shows in a campaign there is a recognition with a favorable emotion under it.  Short of huge national interest in the contest you cannot out raise or out resource an incumbent and incumbents know that keeping their name out there is that free media advantage that&#039;s horrid hard to beat.  The campaign coffers need the constant little flow in the first year and the assuaging of the biggies.

What they&#039;ve got is stupid, I agree, but they can&#039;t forego the earned media exposure.  I don&#039;t see this country rolling in roses in spring 2010, so gloves may come off in a real serious way from challengers.  It would be my bet that there are still a few House Districts that can be picked off and some 2010 Senators have to be shitting bricks right now.  &quot;God help me if Obama&#039;s stuff starts working and he keeps being liked,&quot; has to be one of their foremost thoughts at this point.  You&#039;ve noted it yourself in this respect, Obama isn&#039;t playing to the Congressional Republicans - he&#039;s working the voters and right now he&#039;s gold.

For some damn reason, Greg Walden (R-OR2) is popular, he&#039;s a shitty speaker, he reliably votes the party line, he keeps his head down in DC, and other than guns doesn&#039;t represent the interests of OR2&#039;s general populace in the least.  I&#039;d say that as long as he wants the seat picking him off is at least a 4 year project capped by lots of money in the last 1 1/2.  Not going to happen, the seat ain&#039;t that important.  You&#039;ll hear little from Greg, because all he can do is hurt himself, he&#039;ll let the rest of them do the dirty work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John C the idea that a timeout might serve them well would be accurate other than one inconvenient thing in regard to the House, re-election campaigns start the day after election.  Challengers to incumbents that aren&#8217;t out there at that time working under the radar making connections and building a sort of underground aren&#8217;t serious.</p>
<p>If I wanted to try the <span class="caps">OR CD2</span> again, I&#8217;d be showing my face in all the little meetings and talking to every pol of whatever size that might support me &#8211; now.  Never showing at this date as a candidate but as someone who cares and asks questions and builds a subconsciousness of my name so that when it shows in a campaign there is a recognition with a favorable emotion under it.  Short of huge national interest in the contest you cannot out raise or out resource an incumbent and incumbents know that keeping their name out there is that free media advantage that&#8217;s horrid hard to beat.  The campaign coffers need the constant little flow in the first year and the assuaging of the biggies.</p>
<p>What they&#8217;ve got is stupid, I agree, but they can&#8217;t forego the earned media exposure.  I don&#8217;t see this country rolling in roses in spring 2010, so gloves may come off in a real serious way from challengers.  It would be my bet that there are still a few House Districts that can be picked off and some 2010 Senators have to be shitting bricks right now.  &quot;God help me if Obama&#8217;s stuff starts working and he keeps being liked,&quot; has to be one of their foremost thoughts at this point.  You&#8217;ve noted it yourself in this respect, Obama isn&#8217;t playing to the Congressional Republicans &#8211; he&#8217;s working the voters and right now he&#8217;s gold.</p>
<p>For some damn reason, Greg Walden (R-OR2) is popular, he&#8217;s a shitty speaker, he reliably votes the party line, he keeps his head down in DC, and other than guns doesn&#8217;t represent the interests of <span class="caps">OR2</span>&#8217;s general populace in the least.  I&#8217;d say that as long as he wants the seat picking him off is at least a 4 year project capped by lots of money in the last 1 1/2.  Not going to happen, the seat ain&#8217;t that important.  You&#8217;ll hear little from Greg, because all he can do is hurt himself, he&#8217;ll let the rest of them do the dirty work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem is, when they do come back in earnest it will be behind new leadership, and the current &quot;leadership&quot; damn well knows it.  So they figure they might as well get their freak on while they&#039;re still in town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is, when they do come back in earnest it will be behind new leadership, and the current &quot;leadership&quot; damn well knows it.  So they figure they might as well get their freak on while they&#8217;re still in town.</p>
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		<title>By: wilfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, can we just agree that the Republicans are a pathetic bunch of stupid motherfuckers determined to destroy their party with inexplicable, senseless and ultimately useless opposition, thus dooming our country to the one party rule we all say we don&#039;t want and which will effectively end American democracy? You&#039;re starting to act as if opposition to the bill is a sign of mental derangement - or does that depend on political orientation.

There are lots of good crisis blogs out there, some written by Democrats who - GASP! - oppose the stimulus bill and who give good, qualified judgements on why they do - here are 4:

http://ashizashiz.blogspot.com/

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Last is Karl Denninger&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, can we just agree that the Republicans are a pathetic bunch of stupid motherfuckers determined to destroy their party with inexplicable, senseless and ultimately useless opposition, thus dooming our country to the one party rule we all say we don&#8217;t want and which will effectively end American democracy? You&#8217;re starting to act as if opposition to the bill is a sign of mental derangement &#8211; or does that depend on political orientation.</p>
<p>There are lots of good crisis blogs out there, some written by Democrats who &#8211; <span class="caps">GASP</span>! &#8211; oppose the stimulus bill and who give good, qualified judgements on why they do &#8211; here are 4:</p>
<p><a href="http://ashizashiz.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ashizashiz.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://market-ticker.denninger.net/" rel="nofollow">http://market-ticker.denninger.net/</a></p>
<p>Last is Karl Denninger&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rome Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rome Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1160713&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phoebe&lt;/a&gt;: 

Something tells me Sarah Palin made a phone call to Bobby Jindal today to say &quot;See? It wasn&#039;t just me, that dirty liberal media is railroading Republicans&quot;.

I can only smile when I think of the stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1160713" rel="nofollow">Phoebe</a>:</p>
<p>Something tells me Sarah Palin made a phone call to Bobby Jindal today to say &quot;See? It wasn&#8217;t just me, that dirty liberal media is railroading Republicans&quot;.</p>
<p>I can only smile when I think of the stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: TenguPhule</title>
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		<dc:creator>TenguPhule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, time is the only thing on your side. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually even that is working against them.

Most of them are old.

Hopefully many of them will drop dead soon and leave the world a better place.</description>
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<blockquote>Finally, time is the only thing on your side. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually even that is working against them.</p>
<p>Most of them are old.</p>
<p>Hopefully many of them will drop dead soon and leave the world a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are giving Palin way too much credit. She couldn&#039;t take the ridicule, knew that if she opened her mouth again there would only be more, and so has hunkered down. Rush is a bully, but nobody is accusing him of actually being a moron or psycho, just wrong and mean. Palin is both of those, but is made fun of by the wider world for being also flat-out stupid. That&#039;s much much harder to take than wrong-and-mean, particularly when you really cannot hold your own. She has no option. 

Also, Rush never puts himself in a position where he is directly confronted by anyone other than a dittohead. He can keep spewing endlessly from his lair, alone with the mic, and is never in the hot seat. He could never be a politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are giving Palin way too much credit. She couldn&#8217;t take the ridicule, knew that if she opened her mouth again there would only be more, and so has hunkered down. Rush is a bully, but nobody is accusing him of actually being a moron or psycho, just wrong and mean. Palin is both of those, but is made fun of by the wider world for being also flat-out stupid. That&#8217;s much much harder to take than wrong-and-mean, particularly when you really cannot hold your own. She has no option.</p>
<p>Also, Rush never puts himself in a position where he is directly confronted by anyone other than a dittohead. He can keep spewing endlessly from his lair, alone with the mic, and is never in the hot seat. He could never be a politician.</p>
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		<title>By: Rome Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rome Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1160706&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ella in NM&lt;/a&gt;: 

IOKIYAR

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1160706" rel="nofollow">Ella in NM</a>:</p>
<p><span class="caps">IOKIYAR</span></p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ella in NM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ella in NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will I end up suffering---again---the punishment of Karma if I say that the quality of Tom Delay&#039;s discourse on Hardball with Chris Matthews today particularly demanded that he be run over in the parking lot after his appearance ? 

And that Chris M.., with his disgusting, amoral man-crush on a guy/loser/sociopath who he thinks has balls but is merely a criminal, also deserves a Karmic cumuppance?

Just wondering, cause, it seems like the standards for &quot;Karma backlash&quot; for me consist of mearly having a mean thought in my head.  So to go further, even visualizing an anonymous someone begging for mercy or painkillers or O2 and having a very liberal Black EMT in the ambulance with him tell him to STFU might result in me losing my ATM card or getting another speeding ticket or my Capital One Care credit line being cut or something.   

So I wouldn&#039;t want to tempt the gods with my evil, violent and vengeful thoughts  because, frankly , I&#039;ve had way too much bad luck lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will I end up suffering&#8212;-again&#8212;-the punishment of Karma if I say that the quality of Tom Delay&#8217;s discourse on Hardball with Chris Matthews today particularly demanded that he be run over in the parking lot after his appearance ?</p>
<p>And that Chris M.., with his disgusting, amoral man-crush on a guy/loser/sociopath who he thinks has balls but is merely a criminal, also deserves a Karmic cumuppance?</p>
<p>Just wondering, cause, it seems like the standards for &quot;Karma backlash&quot; for me consist of mearly having a mean thought in my head.  So to go further, even visualizing an anonymous someone begging for mercy or painkillers or O2 and having a very liberal Black <span class="caps">EMT</span> in the ambulance with him tell him to <span class="caps">STFU</span> might result in me losing my <span class="caps">ATM</span> card or getting another speeding ticket or my Capital One Care credit line being cut or something.</p>
<p>So I wouldn&#8217;t want to tempt the gods with my evil, violent and vengeful thoughts  because, frankly , I&#8217;ve had way too much bad luck lately.</p>
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		<title>By: gnomedad</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnomedad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1160490&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Cole&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Jab, jab, jab, head fake, jab, right hook. KO. No one saw it coming when it was right there in front of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cagle.com/working/080224/cagle00.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meep, meep.&lt;/a&gt; Also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1160490" rel="nofollow">John Cole</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jab, jab, jab, head fake, jab, right hook. KO. No one saw it coming when it was right there in front of them.</p></blockquote>
<p>
<a href="http://cagle.com/working/080224/cagle00.gif" rel="nofollow">Meep, meep.</a> Also.</p>
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		<title>By: Rome Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rome Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1160583&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andre&lt;/a&gt;: 

My father would have if he were alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1160583" rel="nofollow">Andre</a>:</p>
<p>My father would have if he were alive.</p>
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