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		<title>By: Doctor Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/08/12/the-clinton-psychodrama/#comment-964011</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think reading the internal memos of any political campaign is going to leave ones idealism in tatters.</description>
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		<title>By: jbarntt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbarntt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Cole:

&lt;I&gt;I don’t know how anyone can not look at the hash her internal campaign was and think anything other than that we dodged a bullet when she lost. If these guys were in charge right now, they would be publicly fighting over whose fault Georgia was while trying to figure out if launching ICBM’s at Russia would poll well with women voters and white males.&lt;/I&gt;

I guess you don&#039;t like Hillary very much. Fair enough, neither do I. Not sure why you think she would have launched a nuclear strike against Russia. 

Covering for Obama&#039;s weak and multiple responses to the Georgia crisis ? Maybe their is a response that falls short of a nuclear strike, but is more than the tepid Bush/Obama response.

I liked Bill Richardson&#039;s response: Get a UN security council resolution. LOL. This guy would sure bolster Obama&#039;s lack of experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Cole:</p>
<p><i>I don&#8217;t know how anyone can not look at the hash her internal campaign was and think anything other than that we dodged a bullet when she lost. If these guys were in charge right now, they would be publicly fighting over whose fault Georgia was while trying to figure out if launching <span class="caps">ICBM</span>&#8217;s at Russia would poll well with women voters and white males.</i></p>
<p>I guess you don&#8217;t like Hillary very much. Fair enough, neither do I. Not sure why you think she would have launched a nuclear strike against Russia.</p>
<p>Covering for Obama&#8217;s weak and multiple responses to the Georgia crisis ? Maybe their is a response that falls short of a nuclear strike, but is more than the tepid Bush/Obama response.</p>
<p>I liked Bill Richardson&#8217;s response: Get a UN security council resolution. <span class="caps">LOL</span>. This guy would sure bolster Obama&#8217;s lack of experience.</p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/08/12/the-clinton-psychodrama/#comment-962119</link>
		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news for Hillary!</description>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/08/12/the-clinton-psychodrama/#comment-961522</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only problem with this is that Hillary was running for president, not the Senate. Everything about the way she handled this contradicts her “ready from Day One” claims.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But she lost and it looks like she lost for valid reasons. That said, she&#039;s back in the Senate and the reasons why she may not make a good executive don&#039;t translate into why she may not be a good Senator. 

There&#039;s no rolling the clock back and making her a candidate again. So what if she doesn&#039;t look good for the job - we&#039;ve already established that she isn&#039;t. But going forward what does Hillary have to offer us? From the memos, it doesn&#039;t seem that she carries anything that makes her a weak Democrat, hostile toward Obama or his constituents, or anything else. If she wants a long Senate career, I don&#039;t see how the memos hamper that, and in fact erase some concerns that people had of her. Hillary needs to look good going forward and the memos don&#039;t hurt that at all.</description>
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<blockquote>The only problem with this is that Hillary was running for president, not the Senate. Everything about the way she handled this contradicts her &#8220;ready from Day One&#8221; claims.</p></blockquote>
<p>But she lost and it looks like she lost for valid reasons. That said, she&#8217;s back in the Senate and the reasons why she may not make a good executive don&#8217;t translate into why she may not be a good Senator.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no rolling the clock back and making her a candidate again. So what if she doesn&#8217;t look good for the job &#8211; we&#8217;ve already established that she isn&#8217;t. But going forward what does Hillary have to offer us? From the memos, it doesn&#8217;t seem that she carries anything that makes her a weak Democrat, hostile toward Obama or his constituents, or anything else. If she wants a long Senate career, I don&#8217;t see how the memos hamper that, and in fact erase some concerns that people had of her. Hillary needs to look good going forward and the memos don&#8217;t hurt that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Incertus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incertus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;he looks more like George Wendt, to me&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, but they both ooze the same sort of slime.</description>
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<blockquote>he looks more like George Wendt, to me</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, but they both ooze the same sort of slime.</p>
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		<title>By: Larv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama’s campaign has turned into the seventh level of PUSSY in the past three months and their killing of 527s is essentially a shot at their own feet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We won&#039;t know until after the election, but I&#039;m not so sure about this.  THe Obama campaign probably realized that McCain&#039;s only chance was to go almost entirely negative (as he&#039;s done), and that they wouldn&#039;t be able to effectively call him on it if Dem 527s were doing the same to McCain.  The media loves accusations of hypocrisy, and everytime Obama or his surrogates criticized McCain for his negative campaigning they&#039;d be forced to denounce any anti-McCain ads, whether put out by the campaign or not.  Whether he can effectively hit McCain on the negativity remains to be seen, of course.</description>
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<blockquote>Obama&#8217;s campaign has turned into the seventh level of <span class="caps">PUSSY</span> in the past three months and their killing of 527s is essentially a shot at their own feet.</p></blockquote>
<p>We won&#8217;t know until after the election, but I&#8217;m not so sure about this.  THe Obama campaign probably realized that McCain&#8217;s only chance was to go almost entirely negative (as he&#8217;s done), and that they wouldn&#8217;t be able to effectively call him on it if Dem 527s were doing the same to McCain.  The media loves accusations of hypocrisy, and everytime Obama or his surrogates criticized McCain for his negative campaigning they&#8217;d be forced to denounce any anti-McCain ads, whether put out by the campaign or not.  Whether he can effectively hit McCain on the negativity remains to be seen, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Eugene Thiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Eugene Thiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If these guys were in charge right now, they would be publicly fighting over whose fault Georgia was while trying to figure out if launching ICBM’s at Russia would poll well with women voters and white males.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At 2:00 in the morning.</description>
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<blockquote>If these guys were in charge right now, they would be publicly fighting over whose fault Georgia was while trying to figure out if launching <span class="caps">ICBM</span>&#8217;s at Russia would poll well with women voters and white males.</p></blockquote>
<p>At 2:00 in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug H. (Fausto no more)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug H. (Fausto no more)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Somebody tell them they are getting schooled at campaigning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which is why Obama&#039;s behind McCain in the polls- er-</description>
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<blockquote>Somebody tell them they are getting schooled at campaigning.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why Obama&#8217;s behind McCain in the polls- er-</p>
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		<title>By: Brachiator</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/08/12/the-clinton-psychodrama/#comment-961072</link>
		<dc:creator>Brachiator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Martin Says:

I should have added…

I think the piece is good for Hillary, though. Yeah, she looks like an ineffective manager, but the world is full of those and it’s not a skill you necessarily need in the Senate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The only problem with this is that Hillary was running for president, not the Senate. Everything about the way she handled this contradicts her &quot;ready from Day One&quot; claims.

&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s good news all around and hopefully people can see Hillary is a better light now that she’s been divested of some of the assholes from the campaign.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It puts her in a worse light if she was so weak that she couldn&#039;t even keep campaign staffers in line.  Had she won, would people be offering an excuse that Hillary was an ineffective president because her Cabinet ran all over her?  

It is beyond patronizing to suggest that Senator Clinton&#039;s successes are her own, but her failures belong to other people.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rome Again Says:

This will help the PUMA movement gain more sanity… NOT!

Make it stop, please. Clinton lost, can we stop talking about her now?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would love to.  However, die-hard Clinton supporters keep claiming that she would have won had a groundhog not seen his own shadow on Super Tuesday, and are currently rumbling for an anti-Obama coup at the Denver convention.</description>
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<blockquote> Martin Says:</p></blockquote>
<p>I should have added&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the piece is good for Hillary, though. Yeah, she looks like an ineffective manager, but the world is full of those and it&#8217;s not a skill you necessarily need in the Senate.</p>
<p>The only problem with this is that Hillary was running for president, not the Senate. Everything about the way she handled this contradicts her &#8220;ready from Day One&#8221; claims.</p>
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<blockquote>That&#8217;s good news all around and hopefully people can see Hillary is a better light now that she&#8217;s been divested of some of the assholes from the campaign.
</p></blockquote>
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It puts her in a worse light if she was so weak that she couldn&#8217;t even keep campaign staffers in line.  Had she won, would people be offering an excuse that Hillary was an ineffective president because her Cabinet ran all over her?</p>
<p>It is beyond patronizing to suggest that Senator Clinton&#8217;s successes are her own, but her failures belong to other people.</p>
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<blockquote>Rome Again Says:</p></blockquote>
<p>This will help the <span class="caps">PUMA</span> movement gain more sanity&#8230; <span class="caps">NOT</span>!</p>
<p>Make it stop, please. Clinton lost, can we stop talking about her now?
</p>
<p>I would love to.  However, die-hard Clinton supporters keep claiming that she would have won had a groundhog not seen his own shadow on Super Tuesday, and are currently rumbling for an anti-Obama coup at the Denver convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Rome Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rome Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will help the PUMA movement gain more sanity... NOT!

Make it stop, please. Clinton lost, can we stop talking about her now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will help the <span class="caps">PUMA</span> movement gain more sanity&#8230; <span class="caps">NOT</span>!</p>
<p>Make it stop, please. Clinton lost, can we stop talking about her now?</p>
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		<title>By: Brachiator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brachiator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It allows you to fashion yourself as heroic—a Hercules robbed by the smallness of Gods. It fills you with an anger which is, at its root, a sort of false power, a weak righteousness that turns your enemies into demons.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Shorter:  Turns you into a sore loser.

BTW, The current &lt;em&gt;Mad Magazine &lt;/em&gt;outdoes &lt;em&gt;The New Yorker&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; notorious Obama cover, with a political poster that neatly sums up the outcome of the Democratic primary campaign with a nod to the famous Ali-Liston fight.  Go here and look for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dccomics.com/mad/?action=downloads&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Knockout Poster.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

Of course, &lt;em&gt;Mad&lt;/em&gt; can get away with this because they are not a serious arts and commentary magazine. Heh.</description>
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<blockquote>It allows you to fashion yourself as heroic&#8212;a Hercules robbed by the smallness of Gods. It fills you with an anger which is, at its root, a sort of false power, a weak righteousness that turns your enemies into demons.
</p></blockquote>
<p>
Shorter:  Turns you into a sore loser.</p>
<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, The current <em>Mad Magazine </em>outdoes <em>The New Yorker&#8217;s</em> notorious Obama cover, with a political poster that neatly sums up the outcome of the Democratic primary campaign with a nod to the famous Ali-Liston fight.  Go here and look for <a href="http://www.dccomics.com/mad/?action=downloads" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Knockout Poster.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Of course, <em>Mad</em> can get away with this because they are not a serious arts and commentary magazine. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: horatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>horatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. At least she would have used the 527 campaigns to kick Mccain in his sagging wrinkled nutsack. Obama&#039;s campaign has turned into the seventh level of PUSSY in the past three  months and their killing of 527s is essentially a shot at their own feet. Somebody tell them they are getting schooled at campaigning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. At least she would have used the 527 campaigns to kick Mccain in his sagging wrinkled nutsack. Obama&#8217;s campaign has turned into the seventh level of <span class="caps">PUSSY</span> in the past three  months and their killing of 527s is essentially a shot at their own feet. Somebody tell them they are getting schooled at campaigning.</p>
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		<title>By: Faux News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faux News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;speaking of horrible diseases, here’s Alan Keyes&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alan Keyes: Bug Chaser.</description>
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<blockquote>speaking of horrible diseases, here&#8217;s Alan Keyes</p></blockquote>
<p>Alan Keyes: Bug Chaser.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have added...

I think the piece is good for Hillary, though. Yeah, she looks like an ineffective manager, but the world is full of those and it&#039;s not a skill you necessarily need in the Senate. What it affirms is that a big part of her losing is the fault of the staff (which she managed, but we&#039;ve already covered that) and that most of the shit that people took offense to didn&#039;t come from her thoughts - it came from Penn, etc. 

My worry that Hillary was actively seeking to marginalize the vote of minorities appears to be the work of her staff, and doesn&#039;t seem to have been a malicious intent. I suspect they still don&#039;t know how deeply they pissed some people off or why. That&#039;s good news all around and hopefully people can see Hillary is a better light now that she&#039;s been divested of some of the assholes from the campaign.</description>
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<p>I think the piece is good for Hillary, though. Yeah, she looks like an ineffective manager, but the world is full of those and it&#8217;s not a skill you necessarily need in the Senate. What it affirms is that a big part of her losing is the fault of the staff (which she managed, but we&#8217;ve already covered that) and that most of the shit that people took offense to didn&#8217;t come from her thoughts &#8211; it came from Penn, etc.</p>
<p>My worry that Hillary was actively seeking to marginalize the vote of minorities appears to be the work of her staff, and doesn&#8217;t seem to have been a malicious intent. I suspect they still don&#8217;t know how deeply they pissed some people off or why. That&#8217;s good news all around and hopefully people can see Hillary is a better light now that she&#8217;s been divested of some of the assholes from the campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Flaming Taser of Warm Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Flaming Taser of Warm Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And that’s really where McCain is damaging for the US - he’ll give us 4 more years of political appointees doing whatever they feel like. Doesn’t really matter if government is big or small – if you can’t manage a few dozen people even a small government will quickly overtop its banks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When McCain&#039;s Campaign is limiting his access to his own damn cell-phone like a parent does to a child you know there&#039;s a problem.</description>
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<blockquote>And that&#8217;s really where McCain is damaging for the <span class="caps">US </span>- he&#8217;ll give us 4 more years of political appointees doing whatever they feel like. Doesn&#8217;t really matter if government is big or small &#8211; if you can&#8217;t manage a few dozen people even a small government will quickly overtop its banks.</p></blockquote>
<p>When McCain&#8217;s Campaign is limiting his access to his own damn cell-phone like a parent does to a child you know there&#8217;s a problem.</p>
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