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		<title>By: Dobby</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-590097</link>
		<dc:creator>Dobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The attempt at moral equivalence would be lame on its face, but when it’s understood that what’s being attempted is nothing more cogent than a five-year-old’s whining that “She did it too!” it becomes truly pathetic.&lt;i&gt;

Because RighteousBob would &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=288&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=240&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stoop&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=234&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to&lt;/a&gt; making the &quot;Clinton did it TOOOOOOOOOOO!&quot; argument.

Yes indeed.  Bob has grown from the infant to the toddler stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The attempt at moral equivalence would be lame on its face, but when it&#8217;s understood that what&#8217;s being attempted is nothing more cogent than a five-year-old&#8217;s whining that &#8220;She did it too!&#8221; it becomes truly pathetic.</i><i></i></p>
<p>Because RighteousBob would <a href="http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=288" rel="nofollow">never</a> <a href="http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=240" rel="nofollow">stoop</a> <a href="http://www.plumbbobblog.com/?p=234" rel="nofollow">to</a> making the &#8220;Clinton did it <span class="caps">TOOOOOOOOOOO</span>!&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>Yes indeed.  Bob has grown from the infant to the toddler stage.</p>
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		<title>By: timb</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-588630</link>
		<dc:creator>timb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, Cole, Goldstein sure showed you.  Recumbent bike?  Is there a funnier phrase?  Goldstein is just a comedic genius!

I mean, John said things were about to get stupid after he linked to Protein Wisdom.  Instead, it was a supernova of stupidity as Goldstein takes time to wipe the baby oil off his scrawny frame, pull himself away from the homo-erotic, oh-so-masculine &quot;catch-and-release&quot; martial arts (or some such bullshit.  Goldstein, if you want to learn a martial art, go to a recruiting station instead of a youtube channel), and just make an ass out of himself.  

The reverence those numbnuts send his way is something to behold.  He holds more sway with them now that he doesn&#039;t write!  

Hold on, maybe they are so clever they are figure rhetorically fellating him in his absence might keep him away. Just brilliant on his part. Collins racism and Karl&#039;s meandering poll watches are far more exciting than another Goldstein post on intentionalism (or some other dreary nonsense).

After all, for Jeff being rhetorically fellated by &quot;JD&quot; must be as satisfying as wrestling some half-dressed dude, right?

Still, recumbent bike is just so funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Cole, Goldstein sure showed you.  Recumbent bike?  Is there a funnier phrase?  Goldstein is just a comedic genius!</p>
<p>I mean, John said things were about to get stupid after he linked to Protein Wisdom.  Instead, it was a supernova of stupidity as Goldstein takes time to wipe the baby oil off his scrawny frame, pull himself away from the homo-erotic, oh-so-masculine &#8220;catch-and-release&#8221; martial arts (or some such bullshit.  Goldstein, if you want to learn a martial art, go to a recruiting station instead of a youtube channel), and just make an ass out of himself.</p>
<p>The reverence those numbnuts send his way is something to behold.  He holds more sway with them now that he doesn&#8217;t write!</p>
<p>Hold on, maybe they are so clever they are figure rhetorically fellating him in his absence might keep him away. Just brilliant on his part. Collins racism and Karl&#8217;s meandering poll watches are far more exciting than another Goldstein post on intentionalism (or some other dreary nonsense).</p>
<p>After all, for Jeff being rhetorically fellated by &#8220;JD&#8221; must be as satisfying as wrestling some half-dressed dude, right?</p>
<p>Still, recumbent bike is just so funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Snitch</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-588440</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Snitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Even if the “two bit security guard” turns out to be an actual “two bit security guard,” if a Democrat uttered it, the outcome would be the same. The right-wing outrage machine would keep on a’churning, and instead of asking why Democrats hate the troops they would ask why Democrats hate Americans over there protecting us.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

So, &quot;they&quot; are too stubborn to change their tune when the facts change. Yet that&#039;s just what you&#039;re doing. There&#039;s no difference.

Pearls, meet swine. I&#039;m outa here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Even if the &#8220;two bit security guard&#8221; turns out to be an actual &#8220;two bit security guard,&#8221; if a Democrat uttered it, the outcome would be the same. The right-wing outrage machine would keep on a&#8217;churning, and instead of asking why Democrats hate the troops they would ask why Democrats hate Americans over there protecting us.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So, &#8220;they&#8221; are too stubborn to change their tune when the facts change. Yet that&#8217;s just what you&#8217;re doing. There&#8217;s no difference.</p>
<p>Pearls, meet swine. I&#8217;m outa here.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-588293</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made the mistake of clicking on JefG&#039;s link to PW.

Thread seemed to revolve around his Mini-Me&#039;s complaints of not being appreciated for all his hard work, including bringing in tons of hits by flagging John Cole...then some pats on the back by Dear Leader for bringing in the &quot;heavy hitters.&quot;  Yes, he used the term &quot;heavy hitters.&quot;

Squirrely place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made the mistake of clicking on JefG&#8217;s link to PW.</p>
<p>Thread seemed to revolve around his Mini-Me&#8217;s complaints of not being appreciated for all his hard work, including bringing in tons of hits by flagging John Cole&#8230;then some pats on the back by Dear Leader for bringing in the &#8220;heavy hitters.&#8221;  Yes, he used the term &#8220;heavy hitters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Squirrely place.</p>
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		<title>By: HyperIon</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-588201</link>
		<dc:creator>HyperIon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And please. See if you can’t quit me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

or there will be cock slaps all around!</description>
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<blockquote>And please. See if you can&#8217;t quit me.</p></blockquote>
<p>or there will be cock slaps all around!</p>
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		<title>By: beb</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-588089</link>
		<dc:creator>beb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invoking your psychic skills to tell us what would have happened if this was uttered by a Democrat, why not tell us if the inevitable piling on of the Democrat would be warranted?  

Are you saying that McHenry was wrong?  Or is the entire point of the post that you think it was right but if a Dem said it, they would be unfairly attacked?  

It sounds like to me that McHenry made an idiotic statement (or poorly worded attempt at self deprecation) and that has nothing to do with his party affiliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invoking your psychic skills to tell us what would have happened if this was uttered by a Democrat, why not tell us if the inevitable piling on of the Democrat would be warranted?</p>
<p>Are you saying that McHenry was wrong?  Or is the entire point of the post that you think it was right but if a Dem said it, they would be unfairly attacked?</p>
<p>It sounds like to me that McHenry made an idiotic statement (or poorly worded attempt at self deprecation) and that has nothing to do with his party affiliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Plumb Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587973</link>
		<dc:creator>Plumb Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect five-year-olds to whine about what somebody else did to them as a way to justify why they&#039;re doing something wrong. That&#039;s normal behavior for a five-year-old. I don&#039;t expect it from adults.

The political left in general gets itself into high dudgeon every time any conservative says a single word that might, by a little dishonest twisting, be made to sound uncomplimentary toward US troops. Why? Because the left has been wholeheartedly supporting the US&#039; military and political enemies for at least 70 years, counting from Walter Duranty&#039;s whitewash of Stalin&#039;s show trials and continuing through the false accusations against US soldiers in Iraq. The attempt at moral equivalence would be lame on its face, but when it&#039;s understood that what&#039;s being attempted is nothing more cogent than a five-year-old&#039;s whining that &quot;She did it too!&quot; it becomes truly pathetic.

When are you folks going to grow up enough to feel even &lt;i&gt;a little bit&lt;/i&gt; of shame about acting like spoil infants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect five-year-olds to whine about what somebody else did to them as a way to justify why they&#8217;re doing something wrong. That&#8217;s normal behavior for a five-year-old. I don&#8217;t expect it from adults.</p>
<p>The political left in general gets itself into high dudgeon every time any conservative says a single word that might, by a little dishonest twisting, be made to sound uncomplimentary toward US troops. Why? Because the left has been wholeheartedly supporting the US&#8217; military and political enemies for at least 70 years, counting from Walter Duranty&#8217;s whitewash of Stalin&#8217;s show trials and continuing through the false accusations against US soldiers in Iraq. The attempt at moral equivalence would be lame on its face, but when it&#8217;s understood that what&#8217;s being attempted is nothing more cogent than a five-year-old&#8217;s whining that &#8220;She did it too!&#8221; it becomes truly pathetic.</p>
<p>When are you folks going to grow up enough to feel even <i>a little bit</i> of shame about acting like spoil infants?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff G</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I haven&#039;t even been posting, and Cole STILL manages to take a shot at me.

WingNet?  Mountain Dew and Cheetos?  Jesus, Cole.  Your material is about as original any of your thought.

Seriously, dude. I&#039;m not the one doctors stuffed on a recumbent bike.  It&#039;s getting warm out.  Go for a fucking walk or something.  

And please. See if you can&#039;t quit me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I haven&#8217;t even been posting, and Cole <span class="caps">STILL</span> manages to take a shot at me.</p>
<p>WingNet?  Mountain Dew and Cheetos?  Jesus, Cole.  Your material is about as original any of your thought.</p>
<p>Seriously, dude. I&#8217;m not the one doctors stuffed on a recumbent bike.  It&#8217;s getting warm out.  Go for a fucking walk or something.</p>
<p>And please. See if you can&#8217;t quit me.</p>
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		<title>By: grandpajohn</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587767</link>
		<dc:creator>grandpajohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm  what happened to the rest of my  post?  
which was;  Too bad that our current administration  was not willing to make themselves a part of that long tradition while quite willing to see that many young americans continue to be a part of that long tradition,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm  what happened to the rest of my  post?<br />
which was;  Too bad that our current administration  was not willing to make themselves a part of that long tradition while quite willing to see that many young americans continue to be a part of that long tradition,</p>
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		<title>By: grandpajohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>grandpajohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So what. He served and he served honorably.
And when the fit hit the shan and he found himself and his unit in it, he continued being a first rate officer and acquitted himself as well as could be expected. Just like so many others in a long tradition of American citizen-soldiers. Thats what matters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<blockquote>So what. He served and he served honorably.<br />
And when the fit hit the shan and he found himself and his unit in it, he continued being a first rate officer and acquitted himself as well as could be expected. Just like so many others in a long tradition of American citizen-soldiers. Thats what matters.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Saul Goode</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587687</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul Goode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Cole is just being silly. The comment by McHenry was mean both to be self-deprecating and a kick to the pants of those who denigrate what these contractors do.

Cole once again makes a fool of himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Cole is just being silly. The comment by McHenry was mean both to be self-deprecating and a kick to the pants of those who denigrate what these contractors do.</p>
<p>Cole once again makes a fool of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: TenguPhule</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587512</link>
		<dc:creator>TenguPhule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dug Jay Says: &lt;b&gt;I&#039;m a little asshole, wide and stout. This is my handle, this is my spout&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Translated into English for BJ newcomers.</description>
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<blockquote>Dug Jay Says: <b>I&#8217;m a little asshole, wide and stout. This is my handle, this is my spout</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Translated into English for BJ newcomers.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly McLachlan</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587494</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly McLachlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You’re missing the entire point of the story. [...] The point of calling him a “two-bit security guard” was to draw attention to his [own] indignant, ignorant reaction when he was initially turned away. The whole point of the story is that he was dumb and wrong to question the soldier/contractor, who knew more than he did and was just trying to protect him. It’s a story about humility.&lt;/i&gt; 
This is a believable interpretation -- and entirely beside the point. John Cole&#039;s single, &lt;i&gt;fundamental&lt;/i&gt; point in this post was that if Rep. McHenry had been a Democrat, he would never have been given an opportunity to defend or clarify his statement. He would have been used as today&#039;s sacrificial &quot;LIBRUL&quot;, slandered and dragged about... until the next &lt;i&gt;cause celebre&lt;/i&gt; came along. The ultra-rightist bloggers&#039; ready contempt for the status of this contract guard makes that all too clear. (What if the guy is actually some former SEAL working for Triple Canopy -- and not a lowly &quot;Russki&quot; Chechnyan campaign veteran -- they&#039;d never admit to embarrassment, even then!)
John&#039;s contempt for his erstwhile fellows seems grounded in his rage at their two-faced self-aggrandizement. Which is why I read him.
I&#039;m one of Glennzilla&#039;s minions, BTW. It&#039;s a slow night over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You&#8217;re missing the entire point of the story. [...] The point of calling him a &#8220;two-bit security guard&#8221; was to draw attention to his [own] indignant, ignorant reaction when he was initially turned away. The whole point of the story is that he was dumb and wrong to question the soldier/contractor, who knew more than he did and was just trying to protect him. It&#8217;s a story about humility.</i><br />
This is a believable interpretation&#8212;and entirely beside the point. John Cole&#8217;s single, <i>fundamental</i> point in this post was that if Rep. McHenry had been a Democrat, he would never have been given an opportunity to defend or clarify his statement. He would have been used as today&#8217;s sacrificial &#8220;LIBRUL&#8221;, slandered and dragged about&#8230; until the next <i>cause celebre</i> came along. The ultra-rightist bloggers&#8217; ready contempt for the status of this contract guard makes that all too clear. (What if the guy is actually some former <span class="caps">SEAL</span> working for Triple Canopy&#8212;and not a lowly &#8220;Russki&#8221; Chechnyan campaign veteran&#8212;they&#8217;d never admit to embarrassment, even then!)<br />
John&#8217;s contempt for his erstwhile fellows seems grounded in his rage at their two-faced self-aggrandizement. Which is why I read him.<br />
I&#8217;m one of Glennzilla&#8217;s minions, <span class="caps">BTW</span>. It&#8217;s a slow night over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/04/04/satsq/#comment-587437</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And when the fit hit the shan and he found himself and his unit in it, he continued being a first rate officer and acquitted himself as well as could be expected.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said.

People forget that:

1.  Every guy in Kerry&#039;s unit at the time had volunteered thinking they&#039;d be in some big ass powerboat offshore.  They all did their duty when the orders changed, just as Kerry did.

2.  Kerry&#039;s second choice of billet was PBR duty, which was always on the rivers, and never considered safe duty.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Request for Swiftboat Duty&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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<blockquote>And when the fit hit the shan and he found himself and his unit in it, he continued being a first rate officer and acquitted himself as well as could be expected.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>People forget that:</p>
<p>1.  Every guy in Kerry&#8217;s unit at the time had volunteered thinking they&#8217;d be in some big ass powerboat offshore.  They all did their duty when the orders changed, just as Kerry did.</p>
<p>2.  Kerry&#8217;s second choice of billet was <span class="caps">PBR</span> duty, which was always on the rivers, and never considered safe duty.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/docs.html" rel="nofollow">Request for Swiftboat Duty</a></p>
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		<title>By: A1</title>
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		<dc:creator>A1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also- yeah- John Kerry volunteered for the Navy to avoid being drafted into the army. And I believe he joined the swiftboats because it seemed like a hell of a lot more fun to jet around Nam as the commander on a big ass power boat rather then being a junior officer on some tin can (destroyer).
And he clearly wasn&#039;t career track Navy.
So what. He served and he served honorably. 
And when the fit hit the shan and he found himself and his unit in it, he continued being a first rate officer and acquitted himself as well as could be expected. Just like so many others in a long tradition of American citizen-soldiers. Thats what matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also- yeah- John Kerry volunteered for the Navy to avoid being drafted into the army. And I believe he joined the swiftboats because it seemed like a hell of a lot more fun to jet around Nam as the commander on a big ass power boat rather then being a junior officer on some tin can (destroyer).<br />
And he clearly wasn&#8217;t career track Navy.<br />
So what. He served and he served honorably.<br />
And when the fit hit the shan and he found himself and his unit in it, he continued being a first rate officer and acquitted himself as well as could be expected. Just like so many others in a long tradition of American citizen-soldiers. Thats what matters.</p>
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