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		<title>By: Balloon Juice</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-276656</link>
		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course the two possibilities hardly exclude one another. Senior managers routinely overrule career lawyers in politically charged cases, suggesting that the DOJ&#8217;s role as a neutral arbiter of justice subsumed to the Republican policy agenda long ago. Countless examples demonstrate that when political considerations win out in a federal department, dysfunction follows like water flowing downhill. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of course the two possibilities hardly exclude one another. Senior managers routinely overrule career lawyers in politically charged cases, suggesting that the <span class="caps">DOJ</span>&#8217;s role as a neutral arbiter of justice subsumed to the Republican policy agenda long ago. Countless examples demonstrate that when political considerations win out in a federal department, dysfunction follows like water flowing downhill. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fledermaus</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271511</link>
		<dc:creator>Fledermaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry Diamond wrote an editorial about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2005/07/oh_its_just_the.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;back in 2005&lt;/a&gt;  This was the part that really made my jaw drop:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One young political appointee (a 24-year-old Ivy League graduate) argued that Iraq should not enshrine judicial review in its constitution because it might lead to the legalization of abortion. A much more senior Iraqi interlocutor (a widely experienced Iraqi-American lawyer) became so exasperated with the young man&#039;s audacity that he finally challenged him:

&quot;You must have thoroughly studied the history of the British occupation of Iraq.&quot;

&quot;Yes, I did,&quot; the young American replied proudly.

&quot;I thought so,&quot; said the Iraqi, &quot;because you seem determined to repeat every one of their mistakes.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I mean, where do you even begin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Diamond wrote an editorial about this <a href="http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2005/07/oh_its_just_the.html" rel="nofollow">back in 2005</a>  This was the part that really made my jaw drop:</p>
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<blockquote>One young political appointee (a 24-year-old Ivy League graduate) argued that Iraq should not enshrine judicial review in its constitution because it might lead to the legalization of abortion. A much more senior Iraqi interlocutor (a widely experienced Iraqi-American lawyer) became so exasperated with the young man&#8217;s audacity that he finally challenged him:</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;You must have thoroughly studied the history of the British occupation of Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, I did,&#8221; the young American replied proudly.</p>
<p>&#8220;I thought so,&#8221; said the Iraqi, &#8220;because you seem determined to repeat every one of their mistakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, where do you even begin?</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271500</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly OT: &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_re_us/immigration_arrests&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US manufacturer of military safety vests raided&lt;/a&gt;. Sorry to veer from the topic at hand but I think it gives some insight into to how well contractor oversight works in our brave new world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly OT: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_re_us/immigration_arrests" rel="nofollow">US manufacturer of military safety vests raided</a>. Sorry to veer from the topic at hand but I think it gives some insight into to how well contractor oversight works in our brave new world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RWB @12:43 :
&lt;blockquote&gt;When you have people who believe that the operation of government can be improved, you greatly increase the chances that the operation of government will be improved, obviously. But Bush and his boys simply don’t believe the operation of government can be improved. They believe government is purely bad. And this belief colors their ability to actually do anything.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A pretty fair &lt;em&gt;precis&lt;/em&gt; of the current regime&#039;s philosophy: except that I would add one observation:

Despite the Bush 43 Administration&#039;s lip-service to the old &quot;conservative&quot; shibboleth of &quot;small [no] government&quot;; in actual practice, their commitment to implementing this goal seems to activate only in inverse proportion to how much money any particular in-group (e.g. campaign contributors or other &quot;connected&quot; industries) can make from the process. In other countries, this sysytem is widely (and rightly) derided as &quot;corruption&quot; or &quot;crony capitalism&quot;: however, in today&#039;s America, it has simply been relabeled as &quot;privatization&quot; - and a whole industry (well-financed, of course) has grown up to convince us that this is a Good Thing. It&#039;s all in the presentation, y&#039;know....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">RWB </span>@12:43 :</p>
<blockquote><p>When you have people who believe that the operation of government can be improved, you greatly increase the chances that the operation of government will be improved, obviously. But Bush and his boys simply don&#8217;t believe the operation of government can be improved. They believe government is purely bad. And this belief colors their ability to actually do anything.</p></blockquote>
<p>A pretty fair <em>precis</em> of the current regime&#8217;s philosophy: except that I would add one observation:</p>
<p>Despite the Bush 43 Administration&#8217;s lip-service to the old &#8220;conservative&#8221; shibboleth of &#8220;small [no] government&#8221;; in actual practice, their commitment to implementing this goal seems to activate only in inverse proportion to how much money any particular in-group (e.g. campaign contributors or other &#8220;connected&#8221; industries) can make from the process. In other countries, this sysytem is widely (and rightly) derided as &#8220;corruption&#8221; or &#8220;crony capitalism&#8221;: however, in today&#8217;s America, it has simply been relabeled as &#8220;privatization&#8221; &#8211; and a whole industry (well-financed, of course) has grown up to convince us that this is a Good Thing. It&#8217;s all in the presentation, y&#8217;know&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy realist</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271477</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll place my bets on the Realists.  The Real World ALWAYS wins....

Of course, it may be after the US has gone through its own fit of authoritarian madness, over-extension of the military, and collapse of the economy, so don&#039;t hold your breath.  

It took 50 years before the Potemkin village known as the Soviet Economy and the inefficiency of 5-year plans actually came home to roost.  But when it did, it hit the floor with a splendid crash.

Politicians realize this. Most of their activity is the practice of promising everything to everyone in order to get re-elected, leaning on the auditors to shove the nasty stuff under the table, and hoping the whole system of cards will hold up until after they leave office. Feh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll place my bets on the Realists.  The Real World <span class="caps">ALWAYS</span> wins&#8230;.</p>
<p>Of course, it may be after the US has gone through its own fit of authoritarian madness, over-extension of the military, and collapse of the economy, so don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
<p>It took 50 years before the Potemkin village known as the Soviet Economy and the inefficiency of 5-year plans actually came home to roost.  But when it did, it hit the floor with a splendid crash.</p>
<p>Politicians realize this. Most of their activity is the practice of promising everything to everyone in order to get re-elected, leaning on the auditors to shove the nasty stuff under the table, and hoping the whole system of cards will hold up until after they leave office. Feh.</p>
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		<title>By: Zifnab</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271476</link>
		<dc:creator>Zifnab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But Bush and his boys simply don’t believe the operation of government can be improved. They believe government is purely bad. And this belief colors their ability to actually do anything. From thier point of view, obviously Walter Reed and FEMA and so on are disasterous because they are the government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree in part.  Bush doesn&#039;t respect the responsibility of the government.  FEMA and Walter Reed serve a purpose, but the purpose is not to lend emergency aid or rehabilitate wounded soldiers.  FEMA and WR are tax-dollar trophies to be awarded to politically loyal supporters.  Before and during Clinton, the Repubs worked themselves into a lather over favoritism and the spoils system and Dem corruption.  But rather than fixing the alleged errors, the Republicans merely replaced Democratic officals with Republican officals and carried on with the work they believed Democrats had been doing all along.  New boss same as the old boss.  Republicans had incumbancy, so they assumed they&#039;d get their 40 years in the sun just like the Democrats had.  Republicans completely overlooked the positive contributions Democratic office-holders had made as they were blinded by their own rhetoric.  They assumed the Dems were fuck-ups locked in power by the system.  After removing said Dems, they assumed they&#039;d get the same, illusionary, sweet deal.

Twelve years latter, they&#039;re discovering how wrong they were.</description>
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<blockquote>But Bush and his boys simply don&#8217;t believe the operation of government can be improved. They believe government is purely bad. And this belief colors their ability to actually do anything. From thier point of view, obviously Walter Reed and <span class="caps">FEMA</span> and so on are disasterous because they are the government.</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree in part.  Bush doesn&#8217;t respect the responsibility of the government.  <span class="caps">FEMA</span> and Walter Reed serve a purpose, but the purpose is not to lend emergency aid or rehabilitate wounded soldiers.  <span class="caps">FEMA</span> and WR are tax-dollar trophies to be awarded to politically loyal supporters.  Before and during Clinton, the Repubs worked themselves into a lather over favoritism and the spoils system and Dem corruption.  But rather than fixing the alleged errors, the Republicans merely replaced Democratic officals with Republican officals and carried on with the work they believed Democrats had been doing all along.  New boss same as the old boss.  Republicans had incumbancy, so they assumed they&#8217;d get their 40 years in the sun just like the Democrats had.  Republicans completely overlooked the positive contributions Democratic office-holders had made as they were blinded by their own rhetoric.  They assumed the Dems were fuck-ups locked in power by the system.  After removing said Dems, they assumed they&#8217;d get the same, illusionary, sweet deal.</p>
<p>Twelve years latter, they&#8217;re discovering how wrong they were.</p>
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		<title>By: dreggas</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271471</link>
		<dc:creator>dreggas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And the reason it took so long is the varying degrees of hippie-hatred which kept the John Cole’s of the Former Right (John Cole not included)(this one never, ever stops being funny for me) on the reservation for much longer than would have otherwise been the case. I mean, even after Schiavo, it took John, a pretty sharp guy, almost a year to finally bring himself to admit that even if there were hippies under the bed, they were still the far lesser of two evils.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and even if they were dirty hippies at least the pachouli covered it up...</description>
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<blockquote>And the reason it took so long is the varying degrees of hippie-hatred which kept the John Cole&#8217;s of the Former Right (John Cole not included)(this one never, ever stops being funny for me) on the reservation for much longer than would have otherwise been the case. I mean, even after Schiavo, it took John, a pretty sharp guy, almost a year to finally bring himself to admit that even if there were hippies under the bed, they were still the far lesser of two evils.</p></blockquote>
<p>and even if they were dirty hippies at least the pachouli covered it up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I also wonder what happened to the old foreign policy realists of the Repubs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sure they still write papers and form &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usip.org/isg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;study groups&lt;/a&gt;&#039; and whatnot--they just aren&#039;t in power.</description>
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<blockquote>I also wonder what happened to the old foreign policy realists of the Repubs.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they still write papers and form &#8216;<a href="http://www.usip.org/isg/" rel="nofollow">study groups</a>&#8217; and whatnot&#8212;they just aren&#8217;t in power.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooh</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271466</link>
		<dc:creator>Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;John Cole just voted for Byrd for Senator last November. And this time last year, he was still staunchly proud of his ‘04 Bush vote. Is it possible pragmatic Republicans have disappeared because pragmatic people have stopped being Republicans?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I agree with the obvious answer that they&#039;re all at least DINOs at this point. Or at least if you ask the Bush Base that&#039;s what they&#039;ll tell you.

And the reason it took so long is the varying degrees of hippie-hatred which kept the John Cole&#039;s of the Former Right (John Cole not included)(this one never, ever stops being funny for me) on the reservation for much longer than would have otherwise been the case. I mean, even &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; Schiavo, it took John, a pretty sharp guy, almost a year to finally bring himself to admit that even if there were hippies under the bed, they were still the far lesser of two evils.</description>
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<blockquote>John Cole just voted for Byrd for Senator last November. And this time last year, he was still staunchly proud of his &#8216;04 Bush vote. Is it possible pragmatic Republicans have disappeared because pragmatic people have stopped being Republicans?</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with the obvious answer that they&#8217;re all at least <span class="caps">DIN</span>Os at this point. Or at least if you ask the Bush Base that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ll tell you.</p>
<p>And the reason it took so long is the varying degrees of hippie-hatred which kept the John Cole&#8217;s of the Former Right (John Cole not included)(this one never, ever stops being funny for me) on the reservation for much longer than would have otherwise been the case. I mean, even <i>after</i> Schiavo, it took John, a pretty sharp guy, almost a year to finally bring himself to admit that even if there were hippies under the bed, they were still the far lesser of two evils.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think belief and will have a lot to do with the success or failure of certain government operations, including Walter Reed. Privatization doesn&#039;t necessarily have to be bad, even if it has turned out horrible here. Privatization will be a disaster if the people with the responsibility of running the hospital (or the reconstruction of Iraq or FEMA or any other part of the government) don&#039;t really believe that government can work. This belief is likely to color the actual outcome. And belief in the utter ineffectiveness of government has been official Republican belief since at least Reagan.

Now if you&#039;ll recall, Gore tried to &quot;reinvent&quot; government. Many state, local, and federal government programs have implemented sunset rules, sunshine rules, transparency rules, etc. Many government employees now get MBAs to try to learn advanced ways of improving operations. Even many proponents of privatization intend the privatization to help the government deliver its services better. When you have people who believe that the operation of government can be improved, you greatly increase the chances that the operation of government will be improved, obviously. But Bush and his boys simply don&#039;t believe the operation of government can be improved. They believe government is purely bad. And this belief colors their ability to actually do anything. From thier point of view, obviously Walter Reed and FEMA and so on are disasterous because they are the government. 

Now if there were Republicans who believed the following-- &quot;I&#039;m for limiting government and think government should not be in the business of delivering this or that service, but I feel on the other hand that for those services that government must provide, it should be as well managed as possible,&quot; well, I think that would be popular. Mike Huckabee sometimes seems to express that kind of ideology. The Bush crowd, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think belief and will have a lot to do with the success or failure of certain government operations, including Walter Reed. Privatization doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be bad, even if it has turned out horrible here. Privatization will be a disaster if the people with the responsibility of running the hospital (or the reconstruction of Iraq or <span class="caps">FEMA</span> or any other part of the government) don&#8217;t really believe that government can work. This belief is likely to color the actual outcome. And belief in the utter ineffectiveness of government has been official Republican belief since at least Reagan.</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;ll recall, Gore tried to &#8220;reinvent&#8221; government. Many state, local, and federal government programs have implemented sunset rules, sunshine rules, transparency rules, etc. Many government employees now get MBAs to try to learn advanced ways of improving operations. Even many proponents of privatization intend the privatization to help the government deliver its services better. When you have people who believe that the operation of government can be improved, you greatly increase the chances that the operation of government will be improved, obviously. But Bush and his boys simply don&#8217;t believe the operation of government can be improved. They believe government is purely bad. And this belief colors their ability to actually do anything. From thier point of view, obviously Walter Reed and <span class="caps">FEMA</span> and so on are disasterous because they are the government.</p>
<p>Now if there were Republicans who believed the following&#8212;&#8220;I&#8217;m for limiting government and think government should not be in the business of delivering this or that service, but I feel on the other hand that for those services that government must provide, it should be as well managed as possible,&#8221; well, I think that would be popular. Mike Huckabee sometimes seems to express that kind of ideology. The Bush crowd, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: dreggas</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreggas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason there is no &quot;reality based conservative group&quot; is because for the most part they just joined the reality based community. The very definition of conservative is that now promoted by the Hannity&#039;s, Limbaugh&#039;s and Coulter&#039;s not to mention the Falwell&#039;s, Dobson&#039;s and others. Any who try to adopt the name &quot;conservative&quot; even in an attempt to reclaim it from the above are castigated by the current &quot;conservatives&quot; as not being conservative (especially if they are not social conservatives) and even by adopting the word &quot;conservative&quot; they are lumped in (by the reality based community among others) with the current crop of rabid wingers.

For example, my father was a Conservative, much in the same vein as JC. He hated clinton for acting like the worlds police and getting involved in places like Bosnia. He believed we shouldn&#039;t get involved in foreign wars unless we had a vital national interest at stake. He hateed taxes and believed government should stay the hell out of our lives and should not be big, or big brother for that matter.

So along comes W. in 2000. W talks about not doing nation building, restoring honor and integrity to the white house (my father was by no means a social conservative at this point but he still disliked Clinton and so Monica just gave him more ammo) and all the lofty idealistic talk. He disliked Gore seeing gore as a leftover from clinton minus the personality (my father even conceded Clinton was smart, erudite and a great speaker) and voted for W. 

Thus began a descent into madness as I call it. He began adopting the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter trinity of disdain for anything when it came to Democrats (now mind you he voted for Dukakis in 88 and Perot in 92). He began drinking the unholy kool-aid and the war shit appealed to his machismo as much as it did to his anger over 9-11. 

So with that came the rest of so-called conservatism, the social conservatism the loyalty oaths to party and to the leader. By osmosis so, too, came the loyalty to the ideology of hatred and bigotry. This was more even more shocking because despite all of his faults my father had raised me to be tolerant and open minded.

Fat forward to &#039;04. The kool-aid glasses are on and the addicition is in full swing. Kerry is a realist but loyalty to ideology and to party/leader overshadows that. The end result he still is rabid about &quot;liberals&quot; and &quot;democrats&quot; and pulls the lever, again, for bush despite 4 years of lies with regard to what he campaigned on 4 years ago. 

Fast forward to this past thanksgiving. The realist is starting to return and he has kicked his kool-aid addiction. Even makes the comment that he missed Nixon because even though he was a crook he was less of one. Back was the father I grew up with. Now I am sure he voted for Hillary&#039;s opponent because he would never bring himself to vote for her but the pragmatism was back and he was pissed for being betrayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason there is no &#8220;reality based conservative group&#8221; is because for the most part they just joined the reality based community. The very definition of conservative is that now promoted by the Hannity&#8217;s, Limbaugh&#8217;s and Coulter&#8217;s not to mention the Falwell&#8217;s, Dobson&#8217;s and others. Any who try to adopt the name &#8220;conservative&#8221; even in an attempt to reclaim it from the above are castigated by the current &#8220;conservatives&#8221; as not being conservative (especially if they are not social conservatives) and even by adopting the word &#8220;conservative&#8221; they are lumped in (by the reality based community among others) with the current crop of rabid wingers.</p>
<p>For example, my father was a Conservative, much in the same vein as JC. He hated clinton for acting like the worlds police and getting involved in places like Bosnia. He believed we shouldn&#8217;t get involved in foreign wars unless we had a vital national interest at stake. He hateed taxes and believed government should stay the hell out of our lives and should not be big, or big brother for that matter.</p>
<p>So along comes W. in 2000. W talks about not doing nation building, restoring honor and integrity to the white house (my father was by no means a social conservative at this point but he still disliked Clinton and so Monica just gave him more ammo) and all the lofty idealistic talk. He disliked Gore seeing gore as a leftover from clinton minus the personality (my father even conceded Clinton was smart, erudite and a great speaker) and voted for W.</p>
<p>Thus began a descent into madness as I call it. He began adopting the Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter trinity of disdain for anything when it came to Democrats (now mind you he voted for Dukakis in 88 and Perot in 92). He began drinking the unholy kool-aid and the war shit appealed to his machismo as much as it did to his anger over 9-11.</p>
<p>So with that came the rest of so-called conservatism, the social conservatism the loyalty oaths to party and to the leader. By osmosis so, too, came the loyalty to the ideology of hatred and bigotry. This was more even more shocking because despite all of his faults my father had raised me to be tolerant and open minded.</p>
<p>Fat forward to &#8216;04. The kool-aid glasses are on and the addicition is in full swing. Kerry is a realist but loyalty to ideology and to party/leader overshadows that. The end result he still is rabid about &#8220;liberals&#8221; and &#8220;democrats&#8221; and pulls the lever, again, for bush despite 4 years of lies with regard to what he campaigned on 4 years ago.</p>
<p>Fast forward to this past thanksgiving. The realist is starting to return and he has kicked his kool-aid addiction. Even makes the comment that he missed Nixon because even though he was a crook he was less of one. Back was the father I grew up with. Now I am sure he voted for Hillary&#8217;s opponent because he would never bring himself to vote for her but the pragmatism was back and he was pissed for being betrayed.</p>
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		<title>By: qwerty42</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mclaren has a good overview, however it does miss a debate of some importance that went on in the 1950s: the Truman administration had developed the &quot;Containment Doctrine&quot; based on ideas of State Dept advisor George Kennan and subsequently modified (sometimes against GKs wishes/advice) by others in the administration (the president, Acheson, Marshall and others).  It became a sophisticated policy (one of the more coherent policies the country has had, for all its flaws).  However, in the 50s, the Republican party had a wing that did not wish to &quot;contain&quot; communism.  they wanted a &quot;roll back&quot; (we&#039;d call it &quot;regime change&quot; now).  Regimes were changed in the 50s (Iran, for example).  But the focus was on central and eastern Europe and, of course, China (the &quot;who lost China&quot; accusations).  The new SecState, Dulles, was supposedly on the roll-back side, but when the Hungarians took him at his word in 1956, the US did nothing.  Eisenhower, far more aware of what the next world war would be like, refused (and intervention in Hungary would have backed the Soviet Union into a corner, not unlike the situation with tsarist Russia, Serbia and Austria-Hungary in 1914).  So &quot;containment&quot; became the doctrine of both parties, with only a remnant - mostly old McCarthyites - favoring anything else (i don&#039;t think they envisioned restarting the Korean War or invading mainland China, but they seem not to have any grasp of what they were dealing with).  It does not seem the roll back group ever quite vanished and we still seem to have to deal with them.  I also wonder what happened to the old foreign policy realists of the Repubs.  Purged in the 90s in favor of the ideologues (or at least those who would have no objection to whatever a Republican president said he would want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mclaren has a good overview, however it does miss a debate of some importance that went on in the 1950s: the Truman administration had developed the &#8220;Containment Doctrine&#8221; based on ideas of State Dept advisor George Kennan and subsequently modified (sometimes against GKs wishes/advice) by others in the administration (the president, Acheson, Marshall and others).  It became a sophisticated policy (one of the more coherent policies the country has had, for all its flaws).  However, in the 50s, the Republican party had a wing that did not wish to &#8220;contain&#8221; communism.  they wanted a &#8220;roll back&#8221; (we&#8217;d call it &#8220;regime change&#8221; now).  Regimes were changed in the 50s (Iran, for example).  But the focus was on central and eastern Europe and, of course, China (the &#8220;who lost China&#8221; accusations).  The new SecState, Dulles, was supposedly on the roll-back side, but when the Hungarians took him at his word in 1956, the US did nothing.  Eisenhower, far more aware of what the next world war would be like, refused (and intervention in Hungary would have backed the Soviet Union into a corner, not unlike the situation with tsarist Russia, Serbia and Austria-Hungary in 1914).  So &#8220;containment&#8221; became the doctrine of both parties, with only a remnant &#8211; mostly old McCarthyites &#8211; favoring anything else (i don&#8217;t think they envisioned restarting the Korean War or invading mainland China, but they seem not to have any grasp of what they were dealing with).  It does not seem the roll back group ever quite vanished and we still seem to have to deal with them.  I also wonder what happened to the old foreign policy realists of the Repubs.  Purged in the 90s in favor of the ideologues (or at least those who would have no objection to whatever a Republican president said he would want?</p>
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		<title>By: Pb</title>
		<link>http://www.balloon-juice.com/2007/03/06/privatization-kills/#comment-271444</link>
		<dc:creator>Pb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zifnab,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it possible pragmatic Republicans have disappeared because pragmatic people have stopped being Republicans?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nytimes.com/2005/03/30/opinion/30danforth.html?ex=1269838800&amp;en=047f3baeafb81400&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yes&lt;/a&gt;. Also, 9/11 changed everything, what with the threat of gay Mexican flag-burning terrorists on our borders and all. That&#039;s why we&#039;re fighting them in Iraq!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zifnab,</p>
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<blockquote>Is it possible pragmatic Republicans have disappeared because pragmatic people have stopped being Republicans?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://nytimes.com/2005/03/30/opinion/30danforth.html?ex=1269838800&#038;en=047f3baeafb81400&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland" rel="nofollow">Yes</a>. Also, 9/11 changed everything, what with the threat of gay Mexican flag-burning terrorists on our borders and all. That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re fighting them in Iraq!</p>
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		<title>By: Zifnab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zifnab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Damn good analysis. Have long wondered where all the educated, common-sensical, pragmatic Republicans have disappeared to….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

John Cole just voted for Byrd for Senator last November.  And this time last year, he was still staunchly proud of his &#039;04 Bush vote.  Is it possible pragmatic Republicans have disappeared because pragmatic people have stopped being Republicans?</description>
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<blockquote>Damn good analysis. Have long wondered where all the educated, common-sensical, pragmatic Republicans have disappeared to&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>John Cole just voted for Byrd for Senator last November.  And this time last year, he was still staunchly proud of his &#8216;04 Bush vote.  Is it possible pragmatic Republicans have disappeared because pragmatic people have stopped being Republicans?</p>
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		<title>By: Tsulagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tsulagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Walter Reed privatization &lt;strike&gt;fuckup&lt;/strike&gt; success, cue Condi:  “No one could ever have imagined that the same company whose ice-filled trucks couldn’t find New Orleans after Katrina wouldn’t be able to maintain Walter Reed.”    

I blame Mother Nature.  If she hadn’t made breathing an autonomous reflex, these guys would be long dead.  They would be too stupid to breathe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Walter Reed privatization <strike>fuckup</strike> success, cue Condi:  &#8220;No one could ever have imagined that the same company whose ice-filled trucks couldn&#8217;t find New Orleans after Katrina wouldn&#8217;t be able to maintain Walter Reed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I blame Mother Nature.  If she hadn&#8217;t made breathing an autonomous reflex, these guys would be long dead.  They would be too stupid to breathe.</p>
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